Schengen Treaty and Overstaying Visas (Updated 2017)

UPDATED 2017: Europe is an amazing place. Millions of people travel to Europe each year, whether it be on business, curiosity, adventure, rebellion or leisure; we all make it there at one point in our lives.

However, there are a few rules I have come across as a solo backpacker that just plain piss me off. I have found many threads on the internet showing that many people are also concerned about some of these laws as travelers.

The Shengen Treaty

Now, being an American citizen, I am rather lucky because I get a free waiver visa throughout basically any country in Europe. I also have the right to stay legally as a tourist for 90 days (3 months) in any country in Europe. Unless, you happen to be some countries named Austria, Estonia, Greece, Latvia, Netherlands, Slovakia, Belgium, Finland, Hungary, Lithuania, Norway, Slovenia, Czech Republic, France, Iceland, Luxembourg, Poland, Spain, Denmark, Germany, Italy, Malta, Potugal and Sweden.

Here is what the Shengen Treaty states:

  • You must apply for a “Schengen Visa,” if you are not specific countries (not including EU citizens, Americans, Australians or Canadians).
  • You may stay 90 days on a tourist visa in any 180 period. This means that out of 180 days, you can only be there 90 nonconsecutive days on a moving basis.
  • You DO NOT get 90 days in each of those countries.
  • Those countries are borderless, and once you enter any one of those countries, you have 90 days in all the combined countries.
  • Therefore, if you spend 1 month in Italy, 3 weeks in Spain, 1 month in Germany, and 2 weeks in Greece...you have suddenly overstayed your tourist visa and are able to become fined 300-1200 euro.
    What. The. Hell.
A majority of these countries do not stamp you. Sometimes they do, and sometimes they do not. But your passport probably gets scanned due to the new biometric chips. When you approach a customs agent, you will see them slide your passport on a machine in front of them (putting you into the Schengen Information System or SIS – read more about that here)
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Looking on how to stay legally in Europe? I had advice on that too! Read more.

Anyway, the truth of the matter is you could be anywhere in Europe. You could have traveled by car and no one stamped your passport. It is actually hard to track your journey through Europe.

So…how do you know you overstayed?

You need to calculate it. In fact, I have a calculator right here you can use for free. Check it out!

If you do happen to overstay, here is how to escape:

  • Do not travel to a country outside the schengen zone in Europe once you have overstayed (England, Turkey, Balkins, Ireland, etc.). They may catch you there and either fine you or deport you.
  • Leave from another Schengen country other than the one you arrived in (where you got your first stamp). The Schengen countries track their own exits and entrances, but they don’t communicate to each other this information.
  • Fly/take a boat back to your home country or another destination directly through a Schengen zone country other than the one you entered from. They won’t deport you if you are already leaving, and it is easier to talk your way out of a fine if you are on your way out rather than them catching you already in.

Advice for if you have overstayed…

Chill and take a deep breath. If you have overstayed by one day or 8 months, the fine could still be the same depending on the officer. However, it will not go past 1200 euro. There are many people who are living in Schengen zone countries without residence visas. I would research at your own will for those situations. You can search on bootsnall.com. Working illegally, however, is another issue.

For more information on how to get a visa and work in Europe, please visit my How To Work In Europe section. You can apply for long-term visas if you know you will stay extra time. I suggest it, but if you wanna rough it, it is totally possible and hundreds have and are doing it right now!

Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer, and not accountable for your actions – just a person with an opinion stating the facts about Schengen law and imaginary situations. Overstaying a visa is illegal with strict consequences, and you should consider your actions at your own risk. If you are concerned about legal issues, please contact your embassy/consulate, or an immigration lawyer.

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235 COMMENTS

  1. Jordan | 16th Oct 17

    Hi Lindsey,
    Thanks so much for posting about the Schengen rule, it’s very helpful.
    I’m an Australian who flew into London on the 21st of June. I then flew to Croatia on June 26th and stayed there until July 10th when I took a ferry to Italy. Since then I have left the schengen region twice to return to the UK from the 7th – 11th of September and the 26th – 1st of October.
    I’m now in Spain and due to fly back to the UK on the 26th of October to get a flight back to Australia on the 30th.
    Will I have overstayed if I stick to that plan? How likely are they to fine you in the UK given it is not an EU country?
    Thanks in advance,
    Jordan

    • Lindsey | 18th Oct 17

      Hey Jordan! Thanks for writing in. You can check out my Schengen Visa Calculator to help you calculate it all out. Here’s the link: http://www.everyoneinbetween.com/schengen-visa-calculator/


      They wouldn’t fine you in the UK, they would fine you on your exit from Schengen. It could be anywhere from €100-1500

  2. Brenda Thomas | 11th Oct 17

    Hi, Lindsey – awesome blog, thanks so much! This might be long, but please bear with me!
    Our daughter Sarah is a US citizen w/ a US passport. She arrived in France (from NY) on July 12th, traveling just on the regular “visa-waiver” 90 day “tourist” visa. She does not remember if her passport was scanned by the guard/agent in Paris airport , but it was definitely not physically stamped.
    On July 25th she flew from Paris to Lisbon. She said no one at the Lisbon airport asked to see her passport, she just breezed on through, no stamp/scan or anything. Since then, she has been living in Lisbon, staying at a hostel. She wanted to extend her Holiday in Portugal/Lisbon until early November, so she called the SEF (Portugal’s border control “Servico De Estrangeiros e Fronteiras”) to make an appointment to extend her 90 day “holiday” stay, which would officially expire on Oct 10th. On Sept 29th, the SEF emailed to her an SEF “appointment” letter, scheduling her for a meeting with them on March 2nd, 2018 (!). She was advised by her peers in Portugal, and the manager of the hostel, that this letter allowed her to legally overstay her time IN PORTUGAL by 90 days, because she has an appointment for review with them.
    Another website travel writer / expat confirms that Portugal allows two 90 day extensions, the 1st can be for the simple reason of extending one’s holiday, the 2nd extension must be for a specific acceptable “purpose of stay” such as applying for a student visa, residence visa, etc. The link for the article is: http://www.transitionsabroad.com/listings/living/articles/visa-extension-in-portugal.shtml

    This same article says to call “CNAI” in Portugal for further questions. I personally called CNAI in Portugal, and they also advised that as long as our daughter had this SEF “appointment” letter, she would be fine at the Lisbon Airport when she goes to leave Portugal. (Will they stamp her passport when she leaves Portugal???)

    Again, her original 90 day “free tourist” visa expires today Oct. 10th. Alas, the stress begins!

    With all of these assurances, Sarah’s plan is to stay in Portugal until early November, and then leave for Split, Croatia (non-Schengen), to stay/travel there a bit before coming back to the US. In November, she would fly directly from Lisbon to London (non-Schengen), and then go on to Split, Croatia from there. (Her peers advised that she NOT travel/fly through any Schengen country on her way to Croatia, since her Schengen overstay would be revealed. There don’t seem to be any direct flights from Lisbon to Croatia without layovers in a Schengen airport).
    My concern is once she reaches the UK: will the UK immigration/customs see that she overstayed her Schengen 90-day tourist allowance, and fine/deport her back to the US? Or are they only interested in how long she plans to be in the UK? Should she leave Lisbon “pronto” for the UK or is it okay to wait until early November? Other people have advised her to fly to Croatia through Morocco! HELP!
    A Concerned Parent!!

    • Lindsey | 12th Oct 17

      Hello, Brenda! That is so weird that they gave her an appointment almost triple the amount of her visa-waiver. Her peers are giving her good advice on her Croatia travel plans by not re-crossing into Schengen. There are a lot of direct flights from non-Schengen to non-Schengen, so she doesn’t have to make some convoluted flight path. It looks as though according to SEF, that she needs to have a valid visa in order to apply for the extension. She doesn’t have a valid visa now, which seems to make her invalid for an extension in the upcoming 5 months…😑 Technically, she probably cannot leave Portugal and travel around to other Schengen or non-Schengen countries if she wants to extend her stay in Portugal. If she had an appointment now, they would have looked at her case for extending her holiday within their country…All of this sounds very troublesome to just stay an extra month in Portugal. My advice is to move on with the travel plans and head to UK and Croatia. Otherwise, you should call the Portugal Embassy in the U.S. to ask about this officially: http://portugal.usembassy.gov/


      As for when she arrives to UK, they don’t really care about Schengen as long as she has an exit ticket out of UK. If she were to be caught on exit from Schengen, she simply can show the letter from SEF (only if she departing from Portugal), and explain everything. Most cases they will let her through and give a warning. I hope this helps!

  3. Asephil | 11th Oct 17

    Hi there,
    I’m very confused with the situation I’m in right now. I applied for a visa to visit my boyfriend in Denmark from the 13th to 30th of July. My visa was approved and i was given a visa valid until the 14th of August. So i left Denmark on the 30th july but there was a delay of my flight for that date, I was suppose to arrive in Iceland, take a connecting flight 1 hour before it was midnight to the 31st of July but with the plane being delayed for almost 1hr and a half in Denmark, I reached Iceland almost around 1am and as you know it, I didn’t think there was a problem, as long I didn’t over stayed according to my knowledge because my visa is valid until August 14th. Now that I’m applying for the visa to go to Iceland for a vacation with my boyfriend, I just got an email stating why I overstayed for 1 day, I was so surprised by this, I mean I thought I’m still fine since the visa was still valid until August. Can you please help me understand how this could be called overstayed if my visa was expiring on August 14th and I got out of Schengen area even before August 1st. How do they call this overstay? I’m missing something in this overstay rule I’m so confused! I have sent a reply email to the officer explaining my situation with the flight and i attached the original flight ticket but it gives me no hope to know that I’ve broken the law here and it can jeopardize things for me from now:(

    • Lindsey | 12th Oct 17

      I have written about this issue on my Top Questions about Schengen Visa Overstay under Situation E. The validity of your visa has nothing to do with your allowed days. They might have only given you 13th – 30th (18 days). The fact that you “overstayed” by 1 day (because in their records, it shows the 31st, even if it was by a couple hours). Obviously, this is silly, and it was not your fault due to the flight. This would definitely be an easy case to appeal if you are able to provide the evidence to prove the flight was delayed and you had originally booked the correct dates.

  4. Kallaje | 10th Oct 17

    Thanks Lindsey, yes I have now recovered and be fit to travel on 12 Oct. From past experience of your members who have shared with you, what could be the consequence in cases such as mine. Since my request for extension hasn’t been responded to yet, what are the likely scenario – fines- how much? remarks in the VIS/SIS system etc?

    Any previous instances/experiences shared would give me an idea to be prepared for.

    Thanks again.

    • Lindsey | 12th Oct 17

      I see today is the 12th, so you have either made a decision to stay or not. If you are fit to fly, you should proceed with your plans to fly. If you overstay for a medical extension and you are not medically sick anymore, I am not sure why you would choose to stay longer. They might have deemed your medical reason not good enough for an extension and could deny, and then you would probably be spoken to by the customs, and if you don’t have paperwork to prove why you overstayed, you may have future visas denied and this will be on your travel record.

  5. Kallaje | 10th Oct 17

    Hi there,

    Need your opinion please. Myself and wife are Indian citizens and entered Belgium on Short Stay C type Schengen visa valid for 17 days’ stay between 14 Sep and 16 Oct. We landed in Brussels on 20 Sep with stay valid until 6 Oct. Whilst in Gent, Belgium I was hospitalized on 29 Sep until 4 Oct due to medical emergency with Doctor’s recommendation to extend my visa on medical ground until 12 Oct. On 6th October, I submitted my medical papers, doctor’s report and request letter to local Municipal office in Gent to extend my stay in Belgium until 12 Oct as per medical advice. The local municipal office informed me that they have forwarded my papers to the appropriate office in Brussels. But i didn’t get a receipt for my request submission. I haven’t received any formal response from anywhere until now.

    Our tickets are booked to depart on 12 Oct out of Schengen area from Brussels.

    I am a bit concerned about our status and worried as to what course of action we should take next. We don’t want our planned next year summer visit to Germany to be jeopardized as well (visa denial etc).

    In any case we need to depart on 20 Oct latest.

    Any suggestions and guidance will be greatly appreciated.

    Thanks

    • Lindsey | 10th Oct 17

      Hello! Sorry to hear of your holidays cut short from medical issues. If you feel you are in good health to fly then it is best you keep on your flight. Otherwise, you will need to keep and/or seek all the paperwork from the doctor if you end up staying and waiting for your decision. If it is denied, you will need to leave the country as soon as possible and have all the documents to explain the overstay. If this happens and in the future you apply, you can always appeal denial decisions with the paperwork proving your case.

  6. Nadia | 5th Oct 17

    Hi! I’m just asking a quick question because I’m very stressed about this particular situation and any help would be amazing. I am from the US and previously stayed in Germany visiting my long term boyfriend (who is a permanent resident) beginning the 5th of may, I left Germany on the 2nd of august which is exactly 90 days but due to my layover flights I wasn’t able to leave Iceland until the 3rd of august where they stamped my passport which is technically 91 days and an overstay of my visa even though no one said anything about it or caused me trouble over it. I plan to travel back for the holidays and be in Germany on the 4th of November which will have allowed more than 180 days since I arrived there in may. My question is will I be allowed back in since I technically over stayed my visa? Or will they fine me upon arrival? I didn’t notice this until about two weeks ago and have been absolutely freaking out.

    • Lindsey | 5th Oct 17

      Hey Nadia! Don’t stress ☺️ It’s good you’re looking in to this. But, you will be fine. If you’re speaking about December holidays, you will have been out of Schengen plenty of time and they most likely will not look at past stamps. Happy travels and have a good time visiting your boyfriend!

      • Nadia | 5th Oct 17

        Hi! thanks for the response, It eases my mind a little. But I am going to be leaving on the 3rd of November arriving the 4th which (if my math is correct) around 183 days since my original day of arrival. Will they notice I had overstayed by one day on accident on my precious trip or will they let me explain? Or since I was allowed to leave from Iceland with no trouble is it a closed case? Anyway thanja for the help!

        • Lindsey | 5th Oct 17

          If they did not say anything to you before, then you are fine. Just think like this, on the day you arrive in Schengen on Nov. 4, count backwards 180 days…how many days were you in Schengen in the LAST 180 days. If there were any days, you minus that from your 90 days allowed. That is how they are counting it. But if for some reason they ask, usually they let you explain and if you honestly had no idea, depending on the guard, they could just give a warning and if you do it again, then you’re in trouble. ☺️

  7. Cliff | 4th Oct 17

    Hi i need help i travelled to France on a type C visa and they days of stay were 10 but i moved to sweden since 17 january 2017.
    Iam stressed about what the passport control officer will ask me since i plan to travel back to my country this october 2017 i have overstayed my tourist visa and am stranded but i have money to buy my ticket i need some advise on how to get my way through without problem or how i can get out without detention.
    An urgent response from an authentic source is most welcome.
    Thanks to this Amazing blog

    • Lindsey | 4th Oct 17

      Hey Cliff! If you say you moved to Sweden, that means you have a Swedish residence visa. The overstay will not be looked at because you will now be exiting and entering on your latest visa, which is your Swedish residence card (you must show this to border control if you cross them).

  8. Darine | 2nd Oct 17

    Hi Lindsey,

    I am an American citizen who has one month left in Berlin. I am here visiting my boyfriend (a permanent resident but not a citizen) and to also look for work here. Unfortunately I was unsuccessful in finding any jobs and I’ve decided to apply for the student visa to learn the German language. I’m in the process of applying for the visa and gathering all the necessary documents to make my appointment, but it says on the immigration website that it could take up to six weeks to issue a student visa, which would surpass my legal stay in the EU. Am I allowed to stay past the 90 day mark while waiting for my student visa?
    Thanks!
    Dede

    • Lindsey | 2nd Oct 17

      Hey Darine, thanks for stopping by! I recommend anonymously speaking with the immigration office where you are applying. You might be able to get an extension while you are waiting (you can only apply for a long-stay extension while your current visa is legal or about to expire). If your visa is denied, you will most likely need to show proof of application and denial letter to any border guards when you exit if they ask (which would need to be immediate if you get a denied decision). Best of luck!

  9. Leia | 29th Sep 17

    Hi,

    WOW. Boy, am I glad to have found your blog. Thank you so much for this post-it is so incredibly helpful.

    I would love some advice though.

    I am currently in Genova, Italy where I am working as an au pair. I’m an American and my flight back home leaves form London-but not until 18 days after my 90 day limit is up. Honestly- I would rather stay in Italy than spend two weeks in London but I have been getting so paranoid about getting caught for over staying. Do you think it’s better to fly to London on my 90 day? Or do you think I could have a low chance of getting caught. Would I be turned away from London if they see I have overstayed?

    Last year. I overstayed my student visa in Milan by two days and the man (who had a nasty snarl might I add) pointed it out. However, once I assured him that I was leaving to go home back to America, he let me through as if it were fine.

    Thanks in advance!

    • Lindsey | 30th Sep 17

      Hey Leia! Really happy you found my information helpful. I suggest going to London, even if it’s your 90th day. They have these visas for a reason, they aren’t just guidelines. You were lucky an officer let you through last year – I do know Americans who have been fined $100 just for overstaying by 1 day. Don’t take the risk – it’s really not worth an extra 18 days and potentially your future visa in Europe. Best of luck! ♡

  10. Nick | 26th Sep 17

    Hey there,

    I´m looking for a second opinion on this. I am an American living in Madrid, Spain on a 1 year student visa. On my letter of entry to a Spanish class program it says the final day of school is December 23rd, 2017, My visa stamp from Portugal shows I entered the Schengen Zone on January 6th, 2017.

    I have planned a trip to leave Spain via Barcelona on December 20th, 2017 (before my visa expires) going to Macedonia and fly back into Barcelona on January 7th, 2018 from Macedonia. I´m told by my school that once I leave the EU and my student visa expires. I CAN NOT come back to the EU with out first waiting 90 days. After much research I am under the impression that I can re-enter on terms of a tourist visa.

    During my year in Spain, I traveled to Italy and Switzerland in February and Germany, Austria, and Czechia in August. My 1 year student visa has multiple entries and exits from the Schengen Zone.

    I need to clarify this issue as I am trying to take this trip before I head home to the US.
    Any help is greatly appreciated, Nick

    • Lindsey | 27th Sep 17

      Hey Nick, I am also under the impression that Americans can re-enter on a tourist visa. I suggest calling the American embassy in Madrid to get an official clarification.

  11. cosimo | 24th Sep 17

    hi lindsey,

    appreciate you helping all of us overstayers! heres my question…i’ve been in italy on an overstayed visa for about 5 months. i fell in love with someone here and now we have a home together in the mountains. for several reasons i need to go back to the US for the winter, but i want to avoid a ban or detection for te obvious reason of coming back to my home here. she’s italian and will come to the US where we’ll get married, but if i was caught upon exiting the EU would this affect my residency application later on? should i leave from italy, or another country? i’m equally close to france and slovenia. you wrote that schengen countries only keep track of their own entries and exits but ii’ve read of many people being caught for overstays in countries other than those they overstayed in upon leaving. any help sincerely appreciated L!

    • Lindsey | 24th Sep 17

      Hello! People can be caught in other countries if the guards look at the stamps and do the math – but it wouldn’t be written down electronically if you’ve never been caught before or you are in a different country. Europe is looking for overstays these days – brings in the $. I suggest leaving from Spain, actually. Many of my readers have been caught in France. I highly suggest if the guard says nothing, take it as luck, and to make sure to return with a plan of legality within your visa. You will also need to stay out for 90 days once you exit, just to be safe. For U.S. citizens, visa opps would be job sponsorship, or marriage and marriage can take time to get all the paperwork ready. So you cannot keep letting your Schengen visa run out if you want to get married – because immigration gets involved when you submit paperwork!

  12. | 20th Sep 17

    Hi Lindsey,

    I’m a US citizen that has been in Germany for a couple of months. I’m really confused on the 90/180 day rule. I first traveled here in May from 8-16 returned to the states, then traveled back on June 4-14. Left back to the US, then I came back to Germany, entering via Iceland July 18 and am still here. I originally was applying for a freelance visa when I arrived, but didn’t have the proof of income needed. I love Germany very much and don’t really want to leave, but if I’m understanding everything.. my time is up in a few days I don’t want to jeopardize not being able to live here in the future. Would I be able to leave for a few days and return in October? I saw on a calculator that my 180 days started a month before my original travels, which would mean the 180 period starts again in a few weeks. I’m not sure if that is accurate. This all just recently dawned on me, I’m not even sure how I will be able to leave here if I can’t afford a last minute ticket. What are my options? Does Germany offer an extension? Thank you for this blog, it’s amazing.

    Ryan

    • Lindsey | 20th Sep 17

      Hey Ryan! Thanks for taking the time to write in. As you can see, a lot of people are confused by this. But it’s just as illegal to stay in Europe as it is for someone to stay in the U.S. beyond their touristic purpose. That’s what all the fuss is about on CNN & Trump. The day you enter Schengen, your clock begins – the day you exit, it is put on pause. Since you entered Schengen May 8th, you are at 134/180 days with 84 days spent in Schengen…so you only have 5 days left before you are considered illegal status. To avoid being potentially penalized when you exit, you need to either leave to a non-Schengen country immediately (UK, Turkey…anywhere besides the countries I mention above) and stay out for 90 days and re-enter after November 14th (that would be your 180-day mark since you entered in May). An extension to a Schengen visa is only possible in exceptional cases where new facts and special reasons arise after entry. Please see Germany’s policies on visa extensions here.


      Hope this helps!

  13. Brian | 14th Sep 17

    Hey Lindsey! I appreciate you writing this blog. I’m in a bit of a predicament as I’ve overstayed for a long while. I received a business visa in the Czech Republic for 1 year. It’s been well over a year, and since that time, I’ve renewed my passport. Obviously my new passport doesn’t have an entry stamp nor the visa sticker. The idiot in me just assumed that a border guard would never notice that I never got an entry stamp on my new passport and would just allow me to just leave. I COMPLETELY overlooked the fact that everything is now computerized and that they could scan my new passport and see all the data from my old passport…and see that I’ve overstayed. I’ll be leaving the Schengen zone in February (trying to milk it as much as possible)…what would you do in my situation? Is Spain the best country to leave from (and avoid a fine/penalty)? Thanks, Brian

    • Lindsey | 14th Sep 17

      What’s up, Brian! I would definitely suggest Italy or Spain in your case. Technically, if you have a tourist visa-free passport for EU, you get the 90/180 tourism after your buisiness visa expires…but you must be past the point of no return by now 😜

  14. Alex | 14th Sep 17

    Hi Lindsey,

    I have Schengen visa
    Type :C
    Entry: Mult
    Duration 90 days.

    I overstayed 1 day extra
    so all days in 180 are 91. What happened in this case.
    What shall I do now??Or for next time they fine me???

    Good day,
    Ali

    • Lindsey | 14th Sep 17

      Hey Ali! Thanks for writing in. Well first, you need to exit Schengen as soon as you can. The longer you overstay, the possibility of a bigger fine. We had a reader tell us she was fined €600 for overstaying 2 days in Greece. You may be lucky, however, and they do not say anything at all when you exit. However, when you reapply for a new visa, the immigration board that processes your next visa will see you have overstayed, and this may mean your next visa will be denied.

  15. Allie | 12th Sep 17

    Hello Lindsey, Awesome Site!! So full of great information! I read through a lot of the comments, to really get familiar with the process and penalties. I have a couple of questions. My husband and I are USA citizens and are currently in Switzerland in a program that lasts 5 months (approx.) unpaid for entrepreneurs. My husband has been here longer than I have (entrance date – June 16th) and currently is reaching his 90-day timeframe but the program is still ongoing and his return (changed) ticket is in late October. He decided to try to apply for an extension through the Commune with a letter from the program. The process will cost 157 Francs and no guarantee, must provide bank statements including proof of address (which we have) but no guarantee of approval. My husband is unsure about paying the fee given if not approved; he would still have to pay a fine upon exiting the country. He is concerned also that he might have to return back in mid November for the program and would need approval to come back. I have read about the range in fees and I am curious if you would know specifics on Switzerland fees & if you have any advice on applying for the extension & (whether) pending or declined by the time he exits, might help them not apply fine upon exiting the country.

    • Lindsey | 12th Sep 17

      Hello! Thanks a lot for the kind words! ☺️ Definitely do not overstay your tourist visa in Switzerland. Immigration there is very tense and it isn’t worth your travel future to overstay just for a program. It is not just about “paying a fine” if you are caught. Overstaying goes on your record for all EU/Schengen countries even if paid, and this can lead to more questions in the future for other visa opportunities. You should apply for the extension (Long stay visa type D) before your 90 days are up. Usually when you apply for extensions, you can stay in the country while it is pending. If it is denied, you need to then leave, and bring that paperwork with you on exit. Also, if denied, he cannot come back in November, because his 90/180 will be finished. He needs to stay out of Schengen for 90 days completely if he used up all his days. You can try contacting Switzerland immigration to get 100% confirmation on this topic. Hope this helps!!

  16. Puneet | 8th Sep 17

    Hi I need you help, I dint realise that my schenghen visa is expiring on 18th Sept, I am travelling to croatia on 13th and returning to uk on 23rd sept (croatia to uk). I havent used my schenghen visa yet so total days stay is not a problem, the problem is that my schenghen visa expires when I am in croatia (non schenghen country). I am an indian national who lives in uk on a work visa.
    Would it be okay to stay in croatia for 4 extra days after my schenghen expires?

    Please reply.

    • Lindsey | 9th Sep 17

      Hey Puneet. Hope you’re well! I am in Croatia now, coincidentally! So if border control sees your visa is too close to the expiration date, they most likely will not even let you into Croatia. You need to provide all your paperwork for your return flights, so if they see the visa and the flight dates don’t match up, then they will make a decision in letting you in or not. My recommendation is not to take chances to overstay. It is not worth it the penalty you might receive for your future travel.

      • Puneet | 9th Sep 17

        Thank you for your reply.. I have booked a cancellable ticket for 18th (expiry date)back to uk..another option i was looking at is going to momtenegro as it allows us as i have a valid us and a uk visa. Then i can fly back from montenegro to uk. Will this plan work?

        • Lindsey | 10th Sep 17

          Well, a valid US or UK visa has nothing to do with Montenegro. It is a non-EU/non-Schengen country. So you need to apply for a separate visa to enter Montenegro. To apply for a Montenegran visa, here is their official website with information: https://www.visit-montenegro.com/tourism/visas-and-montenegro-embassy/

          • Puneet | 10th Sep 17

            Thanks again, on the same site u referred, I found the below document which gives detail in article 5 –
            https://www.visit-montenegro.com/downloads/REGULATION_ON_THE_VISA_REGIME.pdf

            It says us visa holders or schenghen can visit up to 7 days.
            Hope this is okay 😊

            • Lindsey | 10th Sep 17

              Yes, you can go as long as your Schengen visa does not expire while you are in their country. So before the 18th of September.

              • Puneet | 10th Sep 17

                Thank so it also talks about US (American) visa rite? i have a long term us visa

              • Lindsey | 11th Sep 17

                Hmmm. I see where it says that in their information. I honestly would call the Montenegrin Visa Regime for India and ask them about entering with the U.S. visa. This sounds like a very unique exception for Montenegro. The number is +91 11 2687-36-61 or email consul@embassyofserbiadelhi.net.in. Best of luck!

              • Puneet | 11th Sep 17

                Thanks I did call and confirm 🙂

              • Lindsey | 11th Sep 17

                Wonderful. ☺️ So, for my readers, it is correct that you can enter Montenegro if you have a valid U.S. visa?

  17. Emily Taylor | 7th Sep 17

    Hey Lindsey!
    I’m in a bit of a pickle. I originally thought your 90/180 days reset every 180 days, so I was under the impression I wouldn’t be overstaying. I entered Paris for 4 days on January 16th, then went to England where I was studying on a short term study visa. I travelled in Schengen in April for 24 days, then returned to England to finish my studying. On the 24th of May I finished and went to Spain, and basically have been travelling since then. I’ve had visits to Turkey, Croatia, Montenegro and Bosnia in this time, and just re-entered Germany last night. However, I just found out the 180days doesn’t reset? It’s just the past 180 days continually, which would mean I’ve already overstayed by 22 days. I’m really stressed because I was just let back into Germany, my flight back to Australia is October 30th but I also need to return to England to collect a suitcase with my belongings. What should I do??? I was thinking of going from Italy to England, stay in England two weeks then go to Paris a few days before my flight home, and just avoid London airports, but now I didn’t realise they would pull you up for Schengen in England too! I also assume it’s too late to get a visa for anywhere (I’m Australian).

    • Lindsey | 11th Sep 17

      Unless I know the exact dates for everything, I can’t properly calculate for you – but the rule is 90 days IN Schengen nonconsecutive and then 90 days OUT of Schengen within 180 days. So in the past 180 days, you need to calculate how many days you spent inside Schengen – if it exceeded over 90 at any point, that is when you overstayed. If you did not exceed 90 days, and it is past the 180 day mark, then it “resets.” If you want more detailed help, you can email me at contact@everyoneinbetween.com (or find it in my contact section)

  18. Mayuresh | 6th Sep 17

    Hello, Mayur here. I read so many ans which you give reply to pples and it’s very much helpful actually. Thanks in advance.
    I am just came from Germany for the purpose of study. Only my mis-understanding, i was stay 1 day more in schengen area and i am allowed a 15 day stay however i am leaving on the 16 day. During the immigration time, Germany police catch me and show me to stay 1 day extra, this is crimes ans so on. I am also wondering bcz, i am totally schoked. In my visa their is mention that visa valid from 5.07.2017 to 4.08.2017 and duration of stay is 15 days. I am only consider one month visa and not seen the duration of the stay period. So they fine me 110 € and asked me where u now came. I tell him from France. So they speak me that you cross the border illegally (they took ticket print where I came). I paid the penaly 110 €. I request him, this only happens due to my mis-understanding. They spoke me, it’s ok you paid the fine now chapter was closed. There is no problem for you now and future too. If you want schengen visa so u can apply again.
    But I am afraid, bcz they collect my address from me by written and they tell me to sent something to my home.
    Do you know what will happen to me? and can you maybe give me a solution? I am so afraid.

    • Lindsey | 11th Sep 17

      Hello Mayuresh! Thanks for stopping by and telling your story. I know it can be very confusing between the “expiration date” of the visa…and the “time allowed” of the visa. The most important part is the “time allowed.” Don’t worry – nothing is going to happen to you now ☺️ You might be questioned in the future because they keep records that you had overstayed, but since you paid the fine, then the officer was correct in saying “the chapter is closed.” You can go ahead and apply for new visas – just make sure you are very clear and organized about your listed travel plans on the visa application and when entering Europe in the future. Best of luck!

  19. Li Shenyuan | 6th Sep 17

    Hello, Lindsey, Looks like I am familiar with Jay from the US, I am a MSc student, and had a module in Greece for 22 days (my applicaiton documents showed that but Greece only gave me 20 days duration, that was what I did not notice)

    When I left Greece, the police gave me a 600 euro fine ticket,(what I heard is 60, and I did not see the ticket clearly for I have to catch the plane), but no black stamp on my passport.(Not qutie sure)

    I have not paid the fine now because the ticke is full of greek, even I would like I don’t konw how to, my questions are: Am I surely on the SIS list? If I insist not paying the ticket, does it work if I attach a appeal letter if I re-apply another Schengen Visa for other country? And, If I have to pay, how to pay it?

    • Lindsey | 11th Sep 17

      Hi Li! Sorry to hear about the fine. Greece is quite strict. If you want to take a photo of the ticket and email it to me, my husband is Greek and can help read it for you ☺️. It might have the information you need on it. You usually need to pay the fine on the spot – if you do not pay, they put you on the SIS. If you do not pay the fine ever, your visa will most likely always be denied in the future. Appeal letters do not work in this case. I am not sure where to pay the fine, but you can try calling the airport or the Hellenic Police for more info.

      • Li Shenyuan | 11th Sep 17

        That is so kind of you! but I did not fing your email address, perhaps this link will work: https://photos.app.goo.gl/RS4B2UOzw5wTuTV33

        • Lindsey | 11th Sep 17

          Sorry! My email is under the contact section “contact@everyoneinbetween.com”

          Your ticket basically says you MUST pay this fine, or else you are banned from entry to Greece for 4 years. This would pretty much include all other Schengen countries since they put this in SIS. It says you can pay at the police station in the airport. Buut that doesn’t help since you’re not there…I will research a bit to see how it can be paid overseas and get back to you by email ☺️

  20. Hasan Shauket | 2nd Sep 17

    Hi Lindsey,
    My name is Hasan. I am a Pakistani citizen living in Spain. My partner is a Polish national who has been working in Spain for 1 year. I came to Spain on a 1 year student visa which has now expired and I have over stayed. My partner and I would like to get married. She is an EU citizen and obviously I am not. We would like to get married however the issue is that my Spanish Visa has expired. We want to get married because firstly we love each other a lot and secondly so I may be able to stay here and work. Do you know anything about getting married in Spain to a EU citizen on an expired Visa? Really looking forward to your reply. Thanks.

    • Lindsey | 11th Sep 17

      What’s up Hasan! I understand how difficult the situation can be when law needs to come Before love 😕 If you have overstayed your Schengen visa, you’re definitely going to have some issues because in order to get married in Spain, you need to get authorities involved, and provide proof of your legality and residence in Spain. Since your partner is Polish – have you thought about looking up marrying a Polish citizen? My advice is – you will need to leave Schengen and re-enter legally in the future and then start the paperwork – or, you can marry her anywhere else in the world and then she can legally invite you to come live in Poland. Hope this helps!

  21. Gabriele ballet dancer | 30th Aug 17

    Thank you so much for the answer you are so kind!
    Now i have another question.
    When we made the application for the long stay visa we specified that we would be traveling by car as serbia is on the border of romania…[cheaper]
    You think this would be a problem for getting thr visa?
    I knew that the embassies ask for a flight ticket just for turistics and short terms visas.
    You think it will be alright?
    Because when the woman interviewd her in serbia she went thru her papers and she didnt say anything about it…[like you are missing some papers or something as her duty comands her]

    • Lindsey | 31st Aug 17

      It could be an issue – it really depends on the case officer your visa application is assigned to. But as you mentioned, you have paid the fine. So if they deny your visa due to this reason, you will have to appeal and explain your case.

  22. Gabriele ballet dancer | 29th Aug 17

    Hello! My girlfriend from serbia overstayed in romania 7 days and we got a fine because of it [100eu].
    After that she applied for a. DAS visa and got refused.
    The police officer told us that we could pay that fine once we’d be back in romania so before applying we didnt pay!
    Do you think that was the reason of the refusal?
    Now we payed the fine and we re-made the visa process…do we have more chance to get it now u think?

    • Lindsey | 30th Aug 17

      Howdy, Gabriele! Yes, I absolutly think that was the reason why the visa was denied. It should have payed the moment when it was issued to you. They could still deny the visa if they feel like this was a serious issue – but you can always appeal it and explain what happened and that you have payed the fine. I hope it works out for you!

  23. sil cri | 29th Aug 17

    Hi
    I hope someone could help me with this question. I was deported from Denmark on February/2017 and banned from schengen area for 6 years. I know I am not allowed to comeback. The question is: can I go to Bulgaria or another non schengen area country in E.U? I mean do you think that schengen area shared my details on E.U contries that is non schengen? By the way. I am Brazilian
    Thanks
    Sil

    • Lindsey | 30th Aug 17

      Hello 😊 Yes, since most Schengen countries are within the EU, they also share that information with non-Schengen countries that are within the EU. You can still try to apply for a short-term visa for Bulgaria. but you will also need to make sure all of your flights and connecting flights do not touch down in a Schengen country, or else you will be automatically denied entry.


      Even when applying for a new visa, they might deny your visa based on the Schengen ban.

  24. Jay | 26th Aug 17

    Hi!
    My question seems to be a little different than those I’ve seen. I am from the US and overstayed ten days in Greece. I was caught and fined 600€ when I exited this past July. I also had my passport stamped.
    My question is this: I am a doctoral student, and my stays in Greece have been to conduct research and do volunteer work in conjunction with that, so my biggest concern is what problems I am likeliest to encounter on future trips, because these trips involve my dissertation research. I *never* would have risked this for an overstay, it was just an ignorant mistake (I visited a friend in Switzerland on the way to Greece & equated “Schengen” with “EU”, so didn’t think it counted).
    My plans are to go back for six weeks in December and January as a tourist, and to re-enter on a student visa next June. As you can see, all of these future visits will have well over 90 days between them.
    At that point, on the long-term visa, I will be writing my dissertation, attending classes in Greece, and continuing my research for a couple of years.
    In your experience, will all of this be in jeopardy because of the ten day overstay?
    Can an immigration lawyer get the information removed, or would it be worth hiring one to help get my long-term visa, because of the black mark?
    I don’t have much money for a lawyer, but I need to do whatever I can to ensure I can finish my project.

    Any advice is appreciated, and thank you!

    • Lindsey | 27th Aug 17

      Hey Jay! Thanks for sharing, and sorry to hear about the mishap. The stamp could effect you in the future (probably just questioning your reasons for entry), even in other Schengen countries, unfotunately. Greece is extremely sensitive for overstaying right now due to the refugee and financial crisis. Your information has now been added to the SIS system – which is looked at when you apply for visas. Did they mention anything about a ban? They had every right to give you the fine, so I am not sure if you can just remove that information from the SIS, since it was not a misunderstanding. But you paid the fine, so I don’t know why they wouldn’t let you have a student visa. My opinion is if they did not ban you, then you have every right to enter again (just be very careful to make sure you are within the 90/180 rule on tourist visa in the future). They might give you less days when you re-enter. Try having a layover in Germany or Amsterdam so you go through security first in another Schengen country. Also, just apply for the student visa – you will never be guarenteed the visa, and if you’re denied, you just appeal it, maybe with the help of an immigration lawyer. Hope this helps!

  25. Canadianjoe | 22nd Aug 17

    Thanks so much for the response Lindsey – just a couple of quick follow-up questions:

    1. If my Slovakian citizenship is made official before my 90 day Canadian tourist limit is up, am I allowed to legally stay in Spain for longer than that 90 day limit?
    2. If i was to then leave the Schengen area after the 90 days have expired, being an Slovakian citizen (but NOT having a Slovakian passport yet), would that still be considered overstaying? And if so, in your opinion, would it likely be enough of a grey area that I could get away without any penalties or bans?

    Thanks again!

    • Lindsey | 22nd Aug 17

      To answer your questions:
      1: Technially, yes, with your EU passport you could stay in Spain longer. BUT that doesn’t mean you have the right to work in Spain. For that, you need to apply for the Spanish tax number/residence card.


      2: This is a bit more complicated, since I have never dealt with this scenerio. So maybe speak with the Slovakian immigration board on this. But in my opinion, you need to have the Slovakian passport or an EU ID card in order to travel around Europe – otherwise you are just a citizen moving around on a Canadian passport. ie: I am an Swedish and American citizen, but if I travel around Europe without my Swedish passport or ID, or any other documentation, this will cause questioning if I pass through any non-Schengen borders. I don’t think they would ban you for it – but they would want to see all the paperwork.

  26. Mido | 21st Aug 17

    Hi

    I’m writing to you with a hope u will be able to help me and answer my question about Shengen Visa.
    I am Egyptian nationality and I have entered Shengen zone in Netherlands December 10th 2016 and and left 27th January 2017 from Netherlands as well. After period of 2 months a came back again 28th of March entering in Latvia and overstayed my Shengen Visa for 45 days, leaving 24th of June 2017 from Latvia. I have been stopped in Riga airport by officer and asked couple of questions. After that I have been given report in Latvian language, and asked to pay €50 administrative fee in bank, which I did. I haven’t been informed about any ban from Shengen zone, and officer that was dealing with my case stated that I will be informed by someone else, however that never happened.
    My question is how will I know if I got ban from Shengen zone or not, as I’m willing to travel to Europe in the future again.

    Regards
    Mido

    • Lindsey | 21st Aug 17

      Hey Mido – thanks for sharing your story. Ouch, Latvia is pretty strict. You most likely have been added to the Schengen Information System (SIS), and when you apply for a new Schengen visa, there is a chance you will get denied the visa. Under EU law, you have the right to inquire about any entry about yourself in the SIS. However, they require some information from you first, and will require a written application to the state police. You can find the information of what information is needed and where to send it under Rights of access to personal data, and their rectification or deletion. I have added the link for you here: State Police: Schengen Information Sysytem. Best of luck!

  27. Canadianjoe | 21st Aug 17

    Hi Lindsey,

    I’m a Canadian citizen staying in Spain on the 90 day limit. I’m currently awaiting my Slovakian citizenship/passport which would make me an EU citizen, which I’m told will be ready in one month. If I was to just overstay my 90 days in Spain for a month or two until my EU documents are ready, what would be the consequences of this? If I eventually left Spain using my Canadian passport, would they care anymore that I overstayed seeing as though I would now be an EU citizen? If they banned me from re-entry into Spain, is that something that would affect BOTH my Canadian and Slovakian passports? Thanks for the answers

    • Lindsey | 21st Aug 17

      Hello there! Well, if you entered on your Canadian, and left on your Canadian, that means you overstayed on your Canadian tourist visa. Technically to be exempt, you should be entering Schengen on your EU passport…since that wasn’t an option, I think you should exit Schengen on your EU passport once it is ready for pickup. Is that in Spain or Slovakia? No matter, as they are both Schengen which is borderless. As long as you exit on your EU passport, they won’t say anything. I also have dual citizenship, and the rule is enter/exit Europe on EU passport – and enter/exit America on my American passport. No questions asked that way.

  28. Jammy | 21st Aug 17

    Work permit under process
    I am overstaying in France since Jan-17, I have a obtained a work contact with a firm here and my application had been submitted to the local prefecture.
    I am worried that if they reject my permit application… what can I do .. Do if I get a work offer from some other firms and able to apply for a short visa from french consulate ??

    • Lindsey | 21st Aug 17

      Hello there! First of all – what was your original visa as of January ’17? Was it a tourist? If yes…then you have some other issues you are dealing with other than overstaying a tourist visa – you would be illegally working, which comes with other penalties (Imprisonment for 3 years, fines up to €45,000…). My suggestion here would be to stop work and leave the country and then apply for a new visa once outside of Schengen. Your work should be able to help with that – next time you can enter legally on a work visa. You cannot apply for a ‘short stay’ visa if you have been illegal for the past 8 months. They would probably have an order to deport you, unfortunately.

      If you were on a working visa in Jan ’17, and have been “stuck in limbo” while you wait for your new work visa to process, then you probably cannot leave France or withdraw your application and still have the right to be in France. If you get a work offer from other firms, I believe you would have to start the procedure all over again to apply for a new work visa (since those visas are linked to the company that is sponsoring you). I suggest calling France’s immigration agency and ask them what to do if you are stuck waiting for the work visa.

  29. animal kindness | 20th Aug 17

    Hi, Im an american citizen who has lived in spain legally in and out for about 4 years as a student.
    The student visa was always a sham tho, it was just a way to reside legally in spain and I never really went to any school,I was given papers stating I was a student every year by an old teacher I once had who understood my desire to live in spain so he would give me a certificate that I was his student so I could continue living as a student. But The student visa never counted as residence but only as a long term stay, so it doesnt help in anyway to apply for residency no matter how many years you live here. On a Student visa I could also never work legally.
    So since 6 months ago, I stopped renewing my student visa because I found it quite pointless and not conductive to my progress. and So Ive been illegal eversince. Some things suck, like my brother is having a wedding this november and I will definately not go as not to risk being banned re-entrance into spain. Right now I think the only solution is marriage or pareja de hecho. Even being illegal , I believe one is still able to marry and actually apply for residency. Do you know anybody who has done this or in this similar situation as me? Maybe I could marry a friend, or somebody out of convenience.

    • Lindsey | 21st Aug 17

      Howdy! What an adventure you have had 😃 🇪🇸! Spain is one of my favorite countries, so I don’t blame you for trying every trick in the book to stay there. I know how rough it feels when the ‘dream’ of living abroad comes to a screeching halt when reality sets in – like the possibility of being banned for trying to enjoy life’s beautiful moments like your bro’s big day. In my honest opinion, I wouldn’t marry someone just for the visa…unless you really, really trust them. But it’s not that easy or stress-free to go through that process. Have you tried looking for a job in a company that will sponsor a residence/work visa for you? How about teaching English? Being an Au Pair? Unfortunately, these are the only options for Americans if they want to get their foot in the door (and yes, I know how hard it is to do this), but maybe a company is looking for a native English speaker!

  30. Victoria | 17th Aug 17

    Thank you for the answer!!! Id like to ask also, when I have just arrived to Italy, we had a big quarrel with my bf, and my Italian visa was canceled. So if ill go back from Italy, can they see that my visa is canceled? (its not written in passport, they just have sent me a letter)

    • Lindsey | 17th Aug 17

      Well, you’re not on any visa as it is right now – so no matter what country you enter in Schengen you’re not allowed to be there. They can see all the history of your previous visas if they actually look into it, so yes, they can see if it was canceled. However, they might just stamp your passport on exit and not say anything at all. But when you re-apply for a future visa, that is when you might have trouble getting a new visa approved.

    • bernadette | 17th Aug 17

      hey victoria, can you send me message on my email though? i think we have the same problem now.

  31. Victoria | 17th Aug 17

    Hello! I really need your advice! I have Italian visa for 1 month(till march 2017), Ive come from Italy to France and all this time I was staying in France. So I overstayed for 8 month. Now I am going back to Ukraine and I really dont know how is better for return, should I go from Milan or from Paris. As I had my visa by invitation.
    Maybe there is a way for have some little chance for dont be put in Blacklist… Will be very thankful for answer!

    • Lindsey | 17th Aug 17

      Hi Victoria! Thanks for writing in. I think you should leave from Milan, Italy. Your overstay is quite a long time, so if you are questioned they will want to know what you were doing and how you were supporting yourself financially. So make sure you know what to say. There is a chance that this situation could be more difficult when applying for future visas since they will see your entrance and exit stamps in your passport. Unfortunately, that is the risk that is taken when overstaying. I wish you luck!

  32. Lily | 16th Aug 17

    hello there, i am Lily from Mongolia. i overstayed 1 year in Switzerland and banned to re-enter Schengen area for 5 years. now its over (2011 2016)
    The question is can i re-enter schengen this year 2017 without any question? i applied 2 years ago and they denied because my data is in SIS.
    is the entry ban data disappear automatically from SIS?
    or should i send letter to embassy of switzerland?
    i am in hesitation.
    now i am married and have kids.

    thank you so much in advance

    • Lindsey | 16th Aug 17

      Hi Lily! Thanks for writing in. It is definitely interesting for my readers to see a comment about someone who had consequences for overstaying. Technically, you have the right to a new visa since your ban has been completed, however, they still have the right to deny the visa or even give you very little holiday days within their country. I would try re-applying anyway and just see what happens.

  33. Hala | 13th Aug 17

    Hello ! my first travel to europe (poland) was in april 2017. I got a schengin visa month and number of stay in poland 10 days ( since am the one who asked for 10 days) when i went their i loved the country so much and it was a bad weather so i extend my flight week plus! My friends travel on the same date in was supposed to travel in !! In frankfurt they said that he overstay for 1 day and it’s fine !!so he told me that he had a problem w am overstaying in poland since i extend my visa for a week !! I went to the guard bord in the airport to fix my papers and to be legal !! They helped me so much and i stayed at them 5 hours until they finished my papers !They understand me but the said i have to be punished and he gave me the minimum 6 mnth. Not to entire only poland !! He said that he didn’t mentioned anything in the SIS and this punished is only in the polish system and automatically will bs removed after 6 month ! And he gave me an extend 20 days to stay in poland if i want to stay! (But i already booked my flight) But he put a stamp on my passport (he said that this stamp will allowed me to enter frankfurt without any problems or questions ) !! And that’s what happened !! No one talked to me at all !! And he told me that i can enter all schengin area whenever i want except poland after 6 month !! My question is would i face any problem or rejected visa if i want to apply again to poland after this 6 month expired and removed ??? Or to any other schengin areas ???

    • Lindsey | 14th Aug 17

      Hello! Thank you for taking the time with your question. Of course, there could be issues again when you re-apply for your tourist visa in Poland if there is history of overstaying and banning you from re-entry.They might not want to give you another visa in case you continue to overstay. However, you should still try to apply and make sure you have all your return flights booked – bad weather is not a good excuse to overstay your visa next time! If you are denied, you can always try to appeal the decision and continue from there. I hope this helped 🙂

  34. F.G.S. | 10th Aug 17

    Hey,

    I am on a work permit and residence permit in Germany that expires on a Friday. My flight is booked for 14 hours after expiry. I am originally from Canada and flying back there. Do you foresee any issues?

    Thank You for your help!

    • Lindsey | 10th Aug 17

      Hello! Thanks for writing in. I think you’ll be just fine on exit since you’re Canadian (sad to say, but where you’re from can definitely be taken into consideration). Just make sure next time you book the flight on the same or before the expiration date 😅

  35. Maggie | 7th Aug 17

    Hello Lindsey!

    Thanks for the info! I am wondering if you could give me some advice…

    I am a US citizen and recently discovered all about the Shengen zone and the fact that I am illegal here in Spain as of 13 days ago. I just received a job offer about a week ago and now worry that I won’t be able to get the Work visa in order to work…

    Have you heard of people with overstaying issues being able to get the NIE work visa regardless? Is it a possibility to return to the US, apply for a new passport and return with a clean passport without stamps? Or will my name be in the system? I just got a job and don’t want to have to decline it!

    Thanks for any help you can offer!

    • Lindsey | 7th Aug 17

      Hey Maggie! Congrats on the job 🎉! I received a Swedish work visa in the past even with my track record, so I don’t think it is a problem…unless you get caught when you leave. When you submit your work visa paperwork, you usually need to give passport info and probably more information about you travels within the past 10 years, etc. In fact, I think you need to send your passport to wherever it is being processed. As long as you are not caught overstaying on your way back to the U.S., and put into the SIS, then you should be fine. I suggest you go home and apply for everything from the U.S. If Spain is like most other European countries, you probably cannot be in Spain (especially on an expired tourist visa) while the visa is processing. I know for my work visa in Sweden, I was not allowed to enter the country (and I definitely could not pick it up in Sweden). I picked my visa up in another Schengen country instead (at Sweden’s embassy). Especially since work visas can take a couple months to process, you absolutely cannot be in Schengen on a tourist visa while this is processing because you are not ‘immune’ to being deported if you’re caught. I suggest calling the U.S. embassy in Spain (anonymously) and asking if you are allowed to wait for a work visa to process while you are on your tourist visa, and what happens if the visa is not done processing by the time your tourist visa is up. This can give you an indication if they say “you need to leave before your tourist visa expires…” or “you can stay as long as the visa is in the process…” But, I am afraid since you are already on an expired visa, you probably should just get out while it’s still tourist season and you go more undetected. It will be the same process from home anyway. Hope this helped!

  36. Tara | 31st Jul 17

    Hi Lindsey,

    This is the most comprehensive blog about the subject, Thanks for uptodate info. To make a short story, I’ve overstayed my tourist visa in Spain, I’ve been living here for 2 years and after consideration… I would like to return home (Australia) and apply to a German university. I wish to visit Germany via bus for language purposes but from your above comments, its sounds risky and will affect long term objectives.
    What do you think?
    It would be very useful but I’m aware its a risk.
    I’ve been advised on best departure points in Spain from free legal advisor. He also mentioned I could leave and re-enter, I’d be stamped both ways, but I didn’t understand. Would I be on a legal tourist visa?

    My main objective is for a German university to accept me. Can I apply for a German university in the following 6 months? Or will I be denied the student visa because I’ve overstayed my tourist visa?
    ANY advice would be greatly appreciated and thanks for sharing, everyone’s experience keeps us informed
    Tara

    • Lindsey | 1st Aug 17

      Thanks so much, Tara! I hope I can break it down in ‘normal words’ for people to understand. I think the legal advisor was trying to say you can do a ‘visa run’ and exit (and get a stamp to prove you left) and then re-enter right away and get a new stamp. Buuut, that is not advisable, as that looks super sketchy to any border guard, and it’s still breaking the 90/180 day rule you’re supposed to follow on a tourist visa. There is no such thing as ‘visa runs’ in Schengen. Technically, what you should do is leave Schengen through Italy or something (if you have an entrance stamp from Spain, you could get questioned if you also exit from Spain…showcasing in full glory your time spent in that country), and not return to any Schengen country for at least another 90 days after your exit.

      As for the German visa, you could have issues, as this is just the consequence for choosing to overstay and is kinda unavoidable if they bring this up. If you are caught on exit, they will put your information in the SIS, which is checked when giving visas and would potentially lead to denial of future visas. I personally think you should leave and then apply from Australia, and just see how it goes. You can always appeal the decisions. Hope this helped!

  37. Alexandra Rodriguez | 26th Jul 17

    Hi Lindsey,
    I’ve been scrolling thru the comments to see if I could a similar situation as mine but so many comments that i figured I’d straight up ask you. I’m researching my flight to head back home to the US and I’m currently in Budapest. The best flight price I could find would cause me to overstay the Schengen tourist visa by two days. The flight has a layover in Norway. Would you have any experience on passport control in these countries and if they would have a problem with just two days of overstay?
    I really appreciate your advice!
    Thanks,
    Alexandra

    • Lindsey | 26th Jul 17

      Hey Alexandra! Thanks a lot for saying hello! I actually live in the Nordics, and they are a bit strict in checking these things. If the difference in cost is not that much, I would take the flight that puts you out of harm’s way and gets you out in time. If you overstay by a couple days, and control figures this out, they could be lenient if you play it dumb if they ask. Just be calm and cool, and make sure you stay out of Shengen for the following 92 days (the added 2 days to make it even). Best of luck!

  38. Ray | 26th Jul 17

    Hi Lindsey, I had a quick question . I am an Indian currently travelign through the Schengen area. I have a visa that says I can stay till 16 Aug . When I originally applied for the visa I had planned to return on the 2nd and I am now thinking of leaving on 6th (well before the visa is valid until). Now I just wanted to check in to see if this is ok ? Since I intend to keep coming bak in the future (my fiance is here) I would like to make sure that this will not affect my arrivals in the future.

    • Lindsey | 26th Jul 17

      Howdy, Ray! I love India! I was in Delhi this past March for work. As for your visa -Make sure you are looking at the DAYS you are allowed, and not only the expiration date. I had some Indian parents of a friend overstay because they confused their visa’s expiration date and thought they could stay until that date instead of the 90 days granted on their visa. Their 2nd Schengen visa was denied due to this 😱

      To answer your question, you can leave or change your exit dates anytime BEFORE the expiration date (Aug 16). Just do not leave after!

  39. Qiongyi Lu | 22nd Jul 17

    Hi Lindsay,

    My family are going to have a trip to Europe next month. My wife and I are Chinese so we need visa. I am totally new to Schengen visa, ended up getting a visa with allowed duration of 10 days while our actual trip will last 13 days. Here’s my itinery
    Day 1: enter France
    Day 4: train to Italy
    Day 11: flight to Switzerland
    Day 13: flight leaving Switzerland

    Suppose re-planning is not an option. My biggest concern is whether I’ll be able to successfully board the flight from Rome to Zurich on Day 11. Is there a chance that the airlines/airport accidentally check my passport and realize I am overstaying already and dis-allow me to fly to Switzerland? The other concern of mine is that my departure flight from Switzerland has a stopover at Geneva. Would they force me to take a direct flight out instead? We are traveling with two young kids, both holding US passports so visa is not an issue for them. Would that possibly make the Swiss border/custom officer easier to deal with on the overstay issue.

    Any suggestion would help. Thanks!

    • Lindsey | 22nd Jul 17

      Hey Qiongyi. Thanks for writing in. You cannot stay longer than your visa, so saying you have no option is basically not minding the consequences of never being let back into Europe in the future if they catch you. Switzerland is very strict with visas, and the visa is put into place exactly for the reason of controlling how long people are within their country/region. When you applied, did you tell them your exact travel dates? They should have taken this into consideraton. You should probably speak with whoever granted you the visa and explain to them the issue. They may be able to extend the visa a couple days to accomodate your tickets. Best of luck!

  40. Nalini Marajh | 21st Jul 17

    Hi, so i have a bit of a problem, I am currently in Bulgaria from Trinidad, and i am allowed a 90 day stay however i am leaving on the 91st day. Do you know what will happen to me? and can you maybe give me a solution?

    • Lindsey | 22nd Jul 17

      Hi Nalini! Can you try leaving a day early? This would save you a world of stress if you just left 24 hours before – that way you will be in line with your visa. Usually they won’t say anything to you, however, if you are caught, they could give you a fine of up to 1500 euro.

  41. mari | 18th Jul 17

    Hello Lindsey!
    I’m a US and a Russian citizen (got 2 passports) and my boyfriend is French. I came to visit him this summer, entered and exited Europe in different places (went to Uk for a week), my last entry to the EU was via Lisbon. I was about to leave France and go back to work in the Usa. But we just discovered that I’m pregnant and that my 90 days in the EU have come to an end… We decided to keep the baby. We are not really sure about the future life together. If we decide to be together than according to several organizations that help immigrants, its better that I stay in France, give birth here and then get my French residency as a mother of a child born in France. This involves me being illegal here for 9 months. Another scenario is to stay here for the most of my pregnancy and then leave to give birth in Russia (where my family is) or in the US… If I decide to leave it will probably be on the 7th month, so I would overstay by 6 months. What risks do I have in the airport in Paris and after if one day I decide to come back to EU? Thanks. Mari.

    • Lindsey | 18th Jul 17

      Hey Mari! Congratulations on the baby!! That is so exciting, and I am sorry you have to stress out a bit about this. According to the French government, under no circumstances should a person stay past the expiration of their 90 day visitor visa. If they are forced to do so, by “an act of god”…so technically, you needed to apply for a visa extension (prolongation de visa) before your tourist visa expired. You could have based this off of your pregnancy. You should not illegally overstay. I don’t think anything will happen to you at the airport, but France is a bit strict these days so you never know. I say do a couple things: Call the Office Français de l’Immigration et de l’Intégration (OFii). Ask what to do. See if it’s too late to start paperwork for a visa extension.

  42. Donna Wilski | 18th Jul 17

    My American friend has overstayed a Spanish tourist visa by 9 months. She would like to return home and apply for a long term visa. It sounds like she might want to leave the Schengen through Portugal rather than Spain. Is this worth trying? What is the worse thing that could happen? Is she likely to have trouble applying for a longterm visa? I see comments about passports being flagged – what does that mean? Is this situation likely to affect her ability to get a longterm visa or to return to Spain?

    • Lindsey | 18th Jul 17

      Hey Donna! Portugal is a Schengen country as well. As long as she tries to get a direct flight out of Portugal, she runs a lower risk of being caught. Usually when you leave Schengen, you will go through border control where you need to approach a border guard and hand them your passport. They will most likely slide it through a scanner, and then flip through the pages to find your entrance stamp and see where you’ve been. They cannot see this on the screen, however. When people say their passport was flagged, this means that the border guard noticed the entrance/exit stamps exceeding the 90 days or beyond the given visa. They could punish the overstayer on the spot, question, or decide to let it slide. When applying for a long-term visa, usually it is asked on the visa form your last time in the country you’re applying for, etc. I don’t think she will have trouble applying, but there is always a ‘maybe’ – but that is the consequence that needs to be accepted if someone chooses of overstay. I hope this helped!

  43. sam | 16th Jul 17

    just a little update, i made it back (to the UK) from Hungary with no problems.. to be honest the worst advice i got was from my own Embassy in Budapest (uk consulate) who told me to seek a lawyer and or go to a police station haha

    anyway, i ended up speaking with the Hungarian Embassy in London and they, like you, said i had no problem leaving Hungary after 4 months of stay… but it is still unknown what the correct procedure is for an eu citizen staying there longer than 90 days, at least just as a tourist… anyway!! thanks again for your advice before.

    • Lindsey | 16th Jul 17

      Hey Sam – Thanks a lot for checking back! I am happy that I gave you the more correct information. As far as I know, EU citizens will absolutly not get punished for hanging out in another EU country. As long as you are just ‘hanging out’ and not working in that country without a tax number, taking government assistance money, or taking from that country’s health system, I don’t think there is much law for it. It definitly gets more complicated when you are settling there for a longer period – then you need to look into switching your residence and get a tax number. And of course, when Brexit comes into effect, please watch out, because there will be a change, which I will most likely post about. Best of luck in the future, and feel free to visit back here if you have more questions. Cheers!

  44. Lei | 14th Jul 17

    Hello Lindsay,

    i don’t know how reply here. I just want to tell you, that we solved the Problem already! Today we went to the immagration and showed her our Date confirmation for marriage. The Lady didn’t ask much and gave my fiancee the stay permission for getting married. We are so happy! We are going to get married on 27.07.

    • Lindsey | 14th Jul 17

      Hey Lei! You are very brave! Thanks for updating us. Congratualtions on your wedding and I wish you all the best of luck in your life!

  45. Scott | 13th Jul 17

    Thanks for the reply, and sorry for the confusion! The ‘(Schengen/non-EU)’ description following Norway was only in reference to Norway, as the layover there is what I’m wondering about, specifically regarding whether or not I’ll have to pass through security again when changing terminals. I’ll take a look again at options out of Portugal. Cheers!

    • Lindsey | 14th Jul 17

      AH, I see. You can fly out of Schengen into a non-Schengen country, and then back to the U.S. Just make sure that your flight abck to the U.S. does not re-enter a Schengen country on a layover. You would have to go through control again.

  46. Scott | 13th Jul 17

    Hi Lindsey,
    Cool site! I have a question regarding the layover. Do you have to go back through security when leaving a Schengen country to non-schengen (like from a Norway layover to the US)? I can’t remember if this is the case. I’m a US citizen who has overstayed, flight home is Spain>Norway layover (so Schengen/non-EU)>US, and I’m leaning towards letting that one go and buying a direct flight from Portugal home instead to reduce the chances of having problems. It varies case by case of course, but I figured I’d ask your opinion. Thanks!

    • Lindsey | 13th Jul 17

      Hey Scott! Thanks a ton for the kind words. I’m not sure what you mean by non-Schengen. Norway is very much a Schengen country (they are just not European Union). I recommend leaving from Portugal. The farther north you get in Europe, the more strict they are at looking at your entrance stamps.

  47. frenchie french | 12th Jul 17

    Hi Lindsey. I’m overstaying my tourist visa in France. I’m feeling okay about my exit, but still definitely a little nervous. I have a flight back to USA a little less than a month after my 180 days is up. Im leaving from France and I had entered in Iceland, and I have lots of in and outs within that time. But just in the time between my most recent stamp and leaving I’ve been only in France for over 90 days in itself. And I read in your post that other countries computers can’t communicate with each other but one country can communicate with itself. Is it a for sure that a red flag is gonna pop up when they scan it saying I overstayed the 90 days? Because I’m totally screwed then. Or is it only if you overstayed 180? Also I was planning on being home for a month and a half then entering England for a few days and then back to France. You said not to re enter Europe for 6 months if possible. At that point I would be starting a new 180 days. Can they still fine you even if you’ve gone home scotch free and then came back?

    • Lindsey | 12th Jul 17

      Hey! Thanks for your question. So, the rule is 90 days IN Schengen…then you gotta spend 90 days OUT, and then after this, you can spend another 90 days in and then you need to be out 90 days. So basically, you should have left 90 days ago. The countries won’t flag you when it scans, but if the border guard checks your entry stamp in Iceland, he/she can do they math and question you. Also, you cannot just stay home for 30 days and then come back to Europe and be cleared. You need to stay out at least 90 days of Schengen for them not to get suspicious when you re-enter. So maybe when you come in through UK, stay there for about 90 days, and then you’ll be clear to be back in Schengen for another 90 days. Also ask yourself what your reason is for coming and going so often to France? Obviously it is not just for tourism, so maybe you should look into long-stay visas? For Americans, there are few options, but here is one for teaching/studying and another work other employment.

      Also, they can actually deny you entry after you have flown into Europe. They will send you on the next flight back to where you came from. I have heard many stories of this.

      • frenchie french | 13th Jul 17

        It’s very possible that I could returning on a spousal visa. My boyfriend and I are trying to figure out the details of that currently. If i am returning on some sort of a long stay visa such a that, can they still tag me for overstaying previously?

        • Lindsey | 13th Jul 17

          If you are returning on a long-term visa, they cannot tag you for overstaying previously. They only care about your current visa. But when you apply for your spousal visa, it could be flagged during the processing if they see you have overstayed on your documents. This could be brought up in an interview. I think you’ll be fine, just make sure to pay attention to visa rules, because it can turn around and effect you in travel down the road.

  48. Lei | 11th Jul 17

    Hi Lindsay, i have a difficult Situation. I and my fiancee want to get married in Germany. I am german citizen. He is from Brazil and arrived in Schengen area in December 2016. He came in Schengen in Rome. It means, he overstayed already for 4 months. During this time he has a new passport from Consulat. So there is no Stamp on the passport. We have given all the documents for marriage in town hall and they proved them already. We have registered for the marriage already and got an Appointment for Wedding on July 27. Now the town hall asked for his residency permission of Immigration. Otherwise we can’t get married. We are afraid, that if we go to the Immigration, they will find out, that he overstays and deport him. I have done some Research in Internet. they say, the grund law of Germany proteces the freedom of marriage. So he might be able to get a temporary permission to stay here. But i am not sure, if the immigation knows about it. Or should we find a lawyer to handle this? Can u give us some advices? Thank you.

    • Lindsey | 11th Jul 17

      Hey Lei! Thanks for your question. I’m not sure if Germany’s protection of the right to marry has anything to do if they have overstayed their visa. The fact that he has actually been illegal for almost half a year and never tried to fix it might make it tough for them to give an extension to a visa that expired 4 months ago. He needed to apply for the extension before his tourist visa ran out. Also, the fact that his passport has no stamp is going to cause a lot of questions when he exits. My advice is: Since he is not a resident in Germany, you should contact the German registry office and ask what they will accept as proof of address in lieu of a Meldebescheinigung. I don’t think you need to be a resident of Germany to marry a German citizen. If all else fails, go elope in Brazil!

  49. Raafat | 11th Jul 17

    Hello Lindsey,
    Long story short, back in July 2016 at Geneva airport they didn’t allow me to enter the country because of overstay visa (10 extra days based on my last visit), they sent me home at the next flight.
    What’s happened is happened, I didn’t count my days back then, I want to apply for another visa this month, I’ve tried calling the Swiss embassy in Saudi Arabia, but they are keep telling me the process must go to VFS Global company, I want to know if I can travel again or not.
    Can you answer my question?
    Thanks

    • Lindsey | 11th Jul 17

      Hi Raafat – Many people don’t hear about the results of what can happen for an overstay, so much appreciated for sharing your story. You cannot travel to a Schengen country without having the visa approved and processed first. If the Swiss Embassy is suggesting to go through VFS Global, you should get in contact with VFS to start your application process. You will then have to wait in your country for the approval and visa in your passport before you book tickets. If you are denied a visa due to previous overstays, you can try to appeal the decision.

  50. Andy | 10th Jul 17

    Hey! Hello from a fellow Washingtonian, I am from Bellingham. Question about the transition from a student visa to a tourist visa. I finished the year as an Auxiliar in Spain, with a student visa. My NIE expired may 31. I have 90 days to reapply for my visa within Spain, but I can’t do so yet cause they haven’t given me my post for next year, only a confirmation they I have a position in the Balearic Islands. I am unsure of how this affects my legal status in other schengen countries. I am curious what i need to do to be in Europe as part of my 90 days in 180 days tourist visa, and not in legal limbo from my Spanish job. Can I leave and re enter the schengen zone? Am I technically illegal now? I am currently riding my bike across France/Italy, and hoping to enter the balkans, but want to figure this out before I have to talk to customs anywhere. All I have in my passport is my entry stamp in Frankfurt last September, along with a student visa that expired 60 days after I entered Spain, as well as my Spanish NIE that expired may 31. I did not enter Europe as a tourist before my student visa.

    Thanks in advance, your site has a lot of helpful info, but I couldn’t quite find an answer. What other sources do you recommend me looking into?

    • Lindsey | 11th Jul 17

      Hey Andy! Nice to see another PNW person here. I noticed you mentioned your job in Spain? Did your student visa allow your to work? If yes, and it has expired…this means you absolutly cannot work on your tourist visa. You will run into a lot of problems if you are caught working illegally because then you are messing with the government’s taxes. You will need your job to sort out a work visa for you, and you will need to re-enter Schengen on the work visa to continue to work.I will leave a link to that right here. As for the switch over to tourist visa, there is not a lot of information on this. I would presume depending on what type your student visa was, you would be allowed an additional 90 days of tourism in Schengen. I think if you are questioned, you can always just show your expired student visa, and now say you are backpacking for tourism, this shouldn’t be a problem for an American citizen. However, you should probably contact your student abroad center or even the American consulate for an exact answer.

  51. Fadilla | 9th Jul 17

    Hei Lindsey,
    Just want to update and say thank you for ur suggestions before.
    I already in my country now, I’m came back through Düsseldorf, the immigration only asking why I overstayed and I gave all the papers for proofing of the timeline what I have done, because in Dutch they didn’t understand, they just ask me to explain, after I explained everything they let me go.

    • Lindsey | 11th Jul 17

      Thanks for coming back and telling your story! I told you to be careful when going through Germany! They are a lot more observant. Happy to know everything went smoothly. Your situation was really complicated, so the border officer must have been understanding. I suggest making sure you stay out of Schengen for at least 90 days to make sure you can clear the 90/180 rule when you return. Best of luck!

  52. sam | 9th Jul 17

    yesyes, i hope thats the case! just to make sure i will ask the uk embassy and see what my position is, if anything i will be travelling back very shortly.. so I’m thinking that should solve the problems, it was just my naivety in this instance… i shall let you know how it goes, just in case anyone has this experience! keep up the great work and thank you again for you input! best

  53. sam | 9th Jul 17

    aha… yes, i see.. thank you for the reply on this.. I’m just curious as after more research i read that after the initial 90 days i should have “registered” to stay longer… would you know anything about this? and if its still punishable with fines and travel bans?? thank you so much

    • Lindsey | 9th Jul 17

      Not if you are a tourist. You should register only if you’re actually living in the country and working. This would be for taxes and health care benefit reasons. You would need to register for a tax number if you work, otherwise it would be illegal work, which is a different topic.

  54. sam | 8th Jul 17

    hi there! im in a bit of a pickle and really need some infos, i hope you can help clear my mind of what is to come

    basically im a uk citizen and travelled to hungary in dec last year (2016) i had a return ticket but missed the flight, in my naivety i just thought to stay longer, now i read that in actual fact that was a big error.. so im almost 90+ days over my tourist visa… i just need to know what i should do, if i go to the airport to leave and just explain how stupid i was?

    any advice would be much appreciated!!

    • Lindsey | 9th Jul 17

      Hey Sam! You are a UK citizen, which is part of the EU (for now), which means you can stay as long as you want or even live in another EU country or Schengen country, such as Hungary. This blog post is directed towards non-EU/EEA citizens, so you’re in the clear!

  55. Henri | 4th Jul 17

    Hi! I visited Netherlands/Belgium/France/Germany a few years ago, and overstayed by a few months. When I flew out of Amsterdam, I was held while they tried to determine if I was a U.K. Citizen (I am, but was traveling with a Canadian passport and had been trying to get my U.K. Passport renewed while abroad). They finally let me go, but warned that they had documented my info and that it might come back to haunt me. I’m traveling to Croatia next week…is there any way to find out if I have been flagged in the general system? I don’t want to have my trip aborted before it even begins!

    • Lindsey | 5th Jul 17

      What’s up, Henri! Thanks for writing in. I am also traveling to Croatia this summer. Can’t wait! Just so you know, Croatia is not a Schengen country, but as of 2013, they are EU – so you should be fine. You should definitly carry both your Canadian and your U.K. passport with you when coming to Europe. By law, when entering/exiting Canada, you must show your Canadian passport, but when entering Europe, it is best to show your U.K passport so you don’t have to deal with having a Schengen visa 90-day limit hanging over your head when entering Schengen countries. Anyway, if you enter on your U.K., they cannot legally deny you entry since you are a citizen of a (for now) EU country. Happy travels!

  56. bernadette | 3rd Jul 17

    hey, but i’m already inside schengen now, it’s not possible at all for me to go around schengen?

    • Lindsey | 3rd Jul 17

      If your visa has expired, then no, you cannot travel around Schengen. A visa is set into place to tell a person how long they are allowed to be within a country/Schengen. If your visa has expired…this means you have no right to be in the country. You need to apply for a new visa in order to have the right to travel to other countries.

  57. bernadette | 30th Jun 17

    it’s indonesian passport, im planning to go to france from finland this september

    • Lindsey | 2nd Jul 17

      If your Au Pair visa has expired, you absolutly will need to re-apply for a Schengen Tourist Visa before you go traveling. However, if you are there right now on an expired visa, they might not grant you a new tourist visa and might tell you to leave right away and reapply from your home country. You need to actually apply for the Schengen Visa to be in Finland as well – since you just need 1 Schengen Visa to visit any of the countries, you can apply in Finland. You can apply here for the ‘Visit Visa (Tourism)

      • Nima | 2nd Jul 17

        Hi Lindsey,
        Thanks for your answer. Do they banned temporarily (like 1-3 years) or permanently? will they give this information at airport when he is leaving the europe or no?

        • Lindsey | 2nd Jul 17

          Bans can be anywhere from 3-5 years, and it makes it difficult to get a future visa, and also can hurt getting visas other places if they see someone has broken visa rules in other countries. When exiting the airport, they might give a ban or a fine…however, the most common cases are they will not say anything when you leave, but if you ever want to return, they could deny a future visa based on overstaying in the past.

  58. bernadette | 30th Jun 17

    hey, i live in finland now with an aupair visa but it got expired 🙁 and i havent leave the country.
    i wanna ask is it possible for me to travel around schengen country (not going outside border) when my visa is already expired?

    • Lindsey | 30th Jun 17

      Hi Bernadette! You didn’t mention what country your passport is from? This would make a big difference in your travel plans, because you might need a Schengen Tourist Visa to travel.

  59. Nima | 25th Jun 17

    Hi Lidnsey,
    My friend was a researcher and had a 2 years contract to work in Spain. his residency card was expired 2 months before his contract (the card expired on 10 Feb, his contract ended on 7 April). he applied again for the permit of stay for the last 2 months but he couldn’t get it. after the last letter (that he recieved on 10 March) they told him that he has to leave spain in 3 months. he finished his work and now he stayed 1 month more than that 3 months (till now 25 June). now he is going to leave Spain to his country. Do you know what will happen to him? He has offer to work in other european country and he wants to back to europ. Is there any problem? how he can leave Spain to have less problem like to be baned or to not receive the visa for the future?

    • Lindsey | 27th Jun 17

      Hi Nima! Thanks for your questions. Your friend should understand that he needs to leave when the visa ends – not when his work contract ends. Because he broke a more serious law when his visa ended – he was working illegally. Unfortunately, if they have given him a warning to leave within 3 months, and he did not follow those instructions, he will most likely have a difficult time getting a new work permit in another European country. This is because visa contracts usually ask if you’ve had previous visas in other EU countries – and they will check to see what happened. My advice is he needs to leave as soon as possible and not overstay longer – on his exit, he may get questioned, fined, or banned – but most likely, none of that will happen and the real issue will occur when he tries to reapply for a visa and they see he has overstayed. They could deny him a tourist or a work visa. This is the risk he has to take due to overstaying, unfortunately.

  60. Fadilla | 20th Jun 17

    Hey, Lindsey I come across ur site after searching about overstayed visa.
    Long story short, I’m Indonesian, I came to Belgium with au pair visa for one year, in may 2016. In the middle of my au pair time, i leave my host family because they didn’t respect me, make me overworked without paying. So, since the end of July, I decided to living with my boyfriend while looking for another family. But because I’m still traumatised after what my last host family do to me, my boyfriend proposed me and we planned to getting married here in Belgium, because so many documents that need for married here and I must got from my country, I asked my parents to help me with documents, it’s take 3 months to finished all translations and legalisation, so we came to city hall for married on January 2017, at first they accepted our marriage documents and say we must waited because they will check my documents. We waiting until February for that, but suddenly in the end of February they said we cannot married because of my visa already revoked, we asking what we must do after that, they city hall said they will send my visa case to immigration in Brussels to let them decided that I can stay and continue my married process or not. Luckily they immigration allow us to continue the process, in middle march, police come to our home and checked everything plus give us appointments for interviews on April, after interviews in April they told us to wait for result, after wait for another 2 months, they result came on 15 June and state they rejected our marriage plan because of my visa things. We still can have our right to reject their decisions and hire a lawyer. But my visa already expired since may2017, so I decided to going back to my country and officially married there and going back to Belgium again after married. The city hall just say okay when we decided like that, and give our documents back plus sponsorship letter for my tourists visa ( since I decided after married will directly going to Belgium again with my husband) and because the city hall said it’s better way than waiting for decisions again here. My question is is it okay for me to flying back to my country from Brussels again ( since I arrived in Brussels before) ? Or I should flying back from Netherlands or Germany?
    And can my tourists visa will approve if i still using same passport?
    I really scared now that they will reject me to get tourist visa or spouse visa if I get caught on airport and get ban to return to Belgium again.
    Thank you

    • Lindsey | 21st Jun 17

      Hello Fadilla! Thanks for your comment. What a story! Usually the main problem is not exiting the Schengen – it is when you apply for a future visa to re-enter. I think you should try flying out of either Brussels or Amsterdam (not Germany) – my suggestion is to have all of the papers proving you were waiting for authorities to process the visa – so they can see a timeline. It will be up to them if they want to sanction you for overstaying by 1 month, or just let you go – that is IF you get questioned. After you are married in your home country, you will need to apply for a spouse visa and most likely wait in your home country for this to be processed.

      • Fadilla | 21st Jun 17

        Hey Lindsey, thank you for your reply, I was planning to going back from Brussels but some of people suggested to going back from another country is more safe since I overstay. I have all the paper that the city hall sent while waiting. But I’m planning to going back in 7 July since my fiancé holiday start from that date but the letter of rejection came in June.
        Do you think I should apply for rejecting the decision and hire a lawyer since there’s still 3 weeks until I’m going back or just waiting and going in July?
        The city hall just suggested me to come back with tourist visa again after married and apply the spouse visa in Belgium ( before they suggested me to came back to my country and came with tourists visa again if immigration told me I can’t stay but lucky on that time I still can stayed), do you think I should do like the city hall told me?
        Thank you for ur suggestions,

        • Lindsey | 21st Jun 17

          I would not trust what the city hall says, since they are not border control. If you are in the country without the right to be (without a visa), then you actually are legally required to leave, that is the whole point of having the visa. Technically, your visa has been rejected twice, and I am not sure if you are allowed to keep staying when they are rejecting. Technically, you should have left within 2 weeks of receiving your rejection letter, because on your exit if questioned why you waited an extra month to go home, and your answer is you waited until your fiance went on vacation, that will definitly not be a good enough excuse for them not to fine you this time. If you decide to come back on a tourist visa and you are already married to a Belgian citizen – within eight days of arrival in Belgium, you will need to register at your local Belgian town hall in order to be issued with a residence permit (F card). I honestly suggest calling your embassy and asking for advice on this specific case to make sure if you decide to stay and hire a lawyer to appeal – you are legally entitled to stay in the country. The last thing you want to do is get legal involved when you are not legally allowed to be there.

  61. repinementer | 19th Jun 17

    Hi, I am an indian national and have been living in Barcelona from 5 years. I was a student for 4 years and this year, I have been working. as you know I had to renew my NIE every year. My last NIE that was valid was expired on Jan 31st, 2017. Meanwhile I applied to renew my NIE with the student status but it has been rejected as I am working now. Again, we tried to apply for working visa but it was rejected again.Because the application should be made within 90 days of last NIE expiration date. It took long because of the student and working confusion created my HR and also because of the slow NIE process in Barcelona (often times the website where you make a NIE appointment doesn’t even work). So now, I have no legal documentation from Feb1st, 2017. Now, I need to leave Spain because I have a new job in the US. First, I am going to travel to India on July 31st, 2017 and then on August 31st, 2017 to the US. I am not sure, whether I can leave Spain with getting stopped at Barcelona Airport or getting fine. I booked my ticket using Emirates so that I can avoid Schengen/European gates. It would be so helpful if you have any suggestions regarding this. Looking forward to hear from you. thanks

    • Lindsey | 20th Jun 17

      Hello! Thanks for taking the time to write in. For those curious NIE is the tax number in Spain – so my question is when did your student visa expire? Were you even allowed to work on a student visa? Was that at the same time as your NIE? If I understand…your application for a new visa was processing since February, and now it has been rejected. Usually this means you need to leave as soon as possible if you have no visa to stay in the country – and most importantly you cannot continue to work. I would honestly just explain the situation if you are questioned on exit. But be aware that this could actually effect future plans of returning to Europe – as they might reject tourist visas based on overstaying previously.

  62. Fahim | 18th Jun 17

    Hey Lyndsey
    Thank you for your reply
    Every year I apply for France and they give me 90days available during 1 years
    For example my last visa was 90 days from 1 june 2016 until 31 may 2017 but I have stay almost 110 days so I overstay by 20 days
    This month I have apply again and I get same 90 days available from 1 June 2017 until 31 may 2018
    And I have change my passeport so I have a new passeport without any old visa and no stamp of the old travel
    So I will not have any problem traveling this time entering France
    Thank you very much for ur help

    • Lindsey | 18th Jun 17

      Great to know. Like I said in my original post, I think you should be fine with your new visa. Just be mindful of the rules this time! I wish you the best of luck in your travels, Fahim ☺️

  63. Fahim | 17th Jun 17

    Hey Lindsey
    Hope u are doing good
    I have a small question I have write to u here before if u remember my name was fahim
    I have overstay a visa from France in 2016 I stay there about 110 days
    When I was leaving the shengen I exit from Spain and I was lucky they don’t scan my visa I think and I didn’t get any problem or fine just exit stamp with date
    I have stay out of shengen 7 months
    And I have apply this months for same visa to same embassy france and I got it for 1 year
    My question is do I will have any problem when am going to enter shengen from France or there is no problem
    Thank you very much

    • Lindsey | 18th Jun 17

      Hey Fahim – What type of visa did you get for 1 year? Don’t confuse the validity of the tourist visa with the 90 days within 180 days rule. You still can only stay within Schengen for 90 days within a 6 month period of your 1 year visa. Also, you said you had to stay out of Schengen for 7 months – this is not true. If your visa is a tourist visa, you can stay 90 days in, then 90 days out…then 90 days in and again 90 days out (within a 365 day period).

      As for having issues when you re-enter, there shouldn’t be an issue if they approved your newest visa. They may question you, however, if they notice your old stamps. Please make sure you pay attention and only stay 90 days within your visa this time.

  64. Dana | 14th Jun 17

    Hi Lindsey,

    I was an au pair in Austria starting in December 2016 and I was told that applying for a visa would be possible from Austria, so I came over on a tourist visa, planning to apply for an au pair visa once I arrived. Long story short, I ended up switching host families and had to wait for a new employment paper and by the time we went to the authority in Austria I had overstayed my tourist visa and they said I had to apply from the U.S. I over stayed by about 3 weeks. So I flew back home to apply again. I flew out of Copenhagen, as I was with my host parents at their house in Sweden which is near the Copenhagen airport. Nobody fined me or said anything at the airport upon my exit. The lady who checked my passport briefly said “wait.. how long were you here?” and I just babbled that I started in Vienna but then was in Sweden for a few days and she let me through.. I am in the U.S now and have applied months ago for the visa and the Austrian authority is STILL processing it, but my flight is on Monday, June 19th and gets into Copenhagen on June 20th (not sure if this will make 90 days, because I landed in the U.S on March 22nd so it will either be 90 days or 89.. didn’t realize this when I booked the flight because I figured the visa would be through by now). I already paid to push my flight back once so I would really like to just enter again on a new tourist visa while I wait for the au pair visa to finish being processed… Do you think I’ll get any trouble going back into Denmark? Will they see on my passport that I overstayed my last tourist visa and deny me entry/ban me? Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated!

    • Lindsey | 15th Jun 17

      Hey Dana! I love that name 😊. You should call the Austrian consulate and ask if you can pick up your visa from an embassy in Europe instead of in the U.S. I was allowed to do that when I was living in Greece, and then got my Swedish work visa (I applied from the U.S., entered on a tourist visa to Europe, picked my visa up in Greece, and then was able to enter Sweden on it months later). But I was actually not allowed to enter Sweden while my visa was pending…so you might not be allowed to enter Austria before you actually receive the visa. Also, it might be that you will have to leave Schengen (like fly to UK, Croatia, Turkey…) and then re-enter on the au pair visa. As for entering Denmark, hopefully you have been out of Schengen 3 months since your last overstay…otherwise they might not let you in. I would carry all your documentation with you for the Au Pair visa, and make sure you do not start working before your visa is processed – because that will be considered illegal on a tourist visa. Hope this helps! Feel free to email me privately if you want.

  65. Sue | 9th Jun 17

    Hi Lindsey,
    My fiance and I are in a difficult situation. We are both US citizens and naively decided to move to Spain without properly researching the visa situation. I’m embarrassed to say that we thought the 90-day rule meant he would have to exit the Schengen area briefly and then be able to re-enter for another 3 months. As for me, I was previously a long-term resident in Germany so I thought I would be fine on my German permanent residency visa. Wrong on both counts, obviously! Now we are in the situation that he has already overstayed by around 10 days and my 90 days expires tomorrow. No idea what to do. We have rented a house in Spain, have our dogs that we brought over from the US, and no place to go in the States even if we did want to return (which we most certainly do not!). I’m also not sure about my situation in Germany. After leaving Germany and moving back to the States in 2012 I remained registered there at a friend’s address so I wouldn’t lose my permanent residency, although I fact I only spent a few weeks a year in Germany. Another benefit of staying registered in Germany was that I was able to keep the car I had from my time living in Germany registered and insured. So now we are in Spain with our 2 dogs, a great house and a car with German plates and I have no idea how to resolve this situation. We visited an legal aid office in Spain who told us, after hearing the whole story, that if you manage to stay in Spain for 3 years illegally you can then apply for residency, which involves documenting that you’ve been in Spain the whole time through a paper trail of leases, bank statements, whatever. So my fiance is thinking that that sounds like an ok option but it sounds awful to me; I run a business and have clients in Europe and want everything to be on the up-and-up, not trying to hide and lay low for three years (which is why you’d think I’d have researched things beforehand!). Anyway, do you see any potential options for us? Should my fiance try to leave undetected and then apply for a student or other type of visa from elsewhere? If he left for 3 months, would he even be allowed back in since he already overstayed? And my situation is different I believe, or is it? Should I go to Germany and see what I can do from there? I should mention perhaps that we both entered Schengen via Lisbon. Anyway this is all very confusing, so any ideas you might have would be great! Thanks!!

    • Lindsey | 10th Jun 17

      Hey Sue – Thanks for taking the time to write in. This sounds like a tricky situation. You definitly cannot live in Spain on a German visa, just like people from other countries cannot just pick up and move to the U.S. without paper work. That’s why Trump wants to build that wall 😐. And you absolutly do not want to stay illegal for 3 years. I wouldn’t trust a ‘legal aid’ that basically told you to do something illegal…such as over stay for 3 years. Yikes. Obviously resident visas are put in place for a reason, otherwise we’d all have our go at just randomly moving places, and it would be a big mess 😅. If you stayed on your tourist visas, you do not get access to healthcare benefits, bank accounts, pension, and could run the risk of being deported, fined, and banned from EU. This could be devastating if there was a medical emergency or you had to fly stateside on a whim. Not to scare you, of course, but those are all very real possibilities and the worst penalties. EU Parliment is also looking at getting rid of American’s free-visa program in Europe, which would mean you and your husband would have to re-apply for toursits visas. My advice for you is to leave the country as soon as possible and research methods of securing proper visas and apply outside of Spain. But visa options for Americans is studying, getting work sponsorship from a company, Here is a government website of Spain that gives you all the information. Also, you can visit my friends over at Expatica for information about opening a business in Spain. If you want to speak more, feel free to email me via my contacts tab.

      • Sue | 10th Jun 17

        Hi Lindsey,
        Thanks for your reply! No, I am not at all interested in staying somewhere illegally for 3 years or even any amount of time at all, which is why I’m trying to resolve this somehow. Much easier to do things properly from the start rather than try to fix them later, but still I have to do something now. I’m thinking my best option would be to go to Germany and apply for the EU Blue Card from there, which I definitely qualified for when I left in 2012 and probably would still be able to get since I’m still officially registered there. And that would allow me to live anywhere in the EU. In fact that would have been the right way around to do things – Germany first then Spain. Kicking myself for not realizing that earlier. But thanks for all the information; this has definitely helped to clarify my options. And I will check out the link about opening a business in Spain because I might want to get that going concurrently. You’re right, though it’s all quite tricky. Thanks so much for providing this space for people to work these kinds of things out because this is really an issue that people can easily panic over, as I’ve unfortunately learned. 🙂

        • Lindsey | 12th Jun 17

          Thanks for the kind words, Sue! I was taking a look at the EU Blue Card, and it looks like there are some restrictions about it (for those of my readers who are curious). The main thing I see is that you need a binding job offer from a company in order to qualify for it. I’m not sure if self-employed can qualify. That’s definitly a great option for those in your position, and I wish you luck when applying. However, the issue right now is not that you overstayed (because you do have your resident visa for Germany) but your fiance’s tourist visa has expired – so the issue is with him, really. Once you are married, he can apply for a spousal visa, but this can take some time to process (and he might not be able to stay in the country while he is waiting for the visa to be approved). That being said, it is best to make sure he exits Schengen zone and can look for his next moves to apply for the proper visa. If you have further questions, feel free to reach out more!

  66. Marcela | 4th Jun 17

    Hello

    My name is Marcela, from Colombia.

    In 2015 I was granted a marriage visa to Switzerland from January to May. But my boyfriend and I thought that date was the limit on which I could enter Switzerland and that once I arrived in the country they would give me 6 months to organize my marriage. In July I called and they explained me that unfortunately those 3 months on the visa were to organize my marriage and not an entry limit to Switzerland. Which means it was illegal in the country. I explained that we did a mistake that we thought I could stay for 6 months. She ask me to give a date for the wedding, but my boyfriend and I had already decided that we would not get married and that we would expect the 6 months to leave the country. I had bought tickets for 6 months in case to not get married to return to my country. I got a letter to my boyfriend’s address where they again asked for a date to get married. We did not tell anything, and we went on as if we were still planning to get married. A month before I leave, I called them And i said that we would not get married and ask the woman if there would be any problem leaving the country or wanting to return, she said no, that everything would be fine.

    In September I left Switzerland and made a stop at the airport in Frankfurt (Germany) the agent interrogated me and asked for my stay permit, since he had noticed that I stayed for 6 months. I explained the situation and he told me that I was in Germany and that I had broken the rules of the country. But I still give the passport back without a stamp, when I realized I returned and asked him to put the stamp because i don’t wanted to have problems and it will be proof that I had left the territory. The man with a bad face put the stamp but cut the part where it said in which airport had been. When I again demand that he put it well he is already angry and tells me that if I do not want to pay a very high fine I should leave and go my way. He didn’t take me anywhere or make me sign anything. I asked him if I wanted to go back to Europe, I could have problems and he said no. So I left. Since then a year and 9 months has passed. Now I want to go to Italy for two weeks and I’m terrified to be stopped.

    Do you think I’ll have problems?

    I’m sorry for my English.

    • Lindsey | 4th Jun 17

      Hi Marcela. Thanks for explaining your issue. I think you should be fine – I see that Brazil gets a visa-free entry into Schengen for up to 90 days in a 6 month period. You were smart to get the exit stamp – and it doesn’t matter if it doesn’t say the airport. Hopefully you are not passing through Germany again, just in case. Also, please make sure you have your return flights printed for them to check if they have questions.

  67. Rao | 24th May 17

    Hi Lindsey

    thanks for your prompt response. we have Netherlands visa and we exit from Italy… i was in Italy when my daughter was ill and that is the main reason we have not extend visas … anyhow there are some people who told me different ides to re-apply for the visa for example some people told me embassy do not have any record for entry or exit and we exit from another country mean Italy so just get new passport and re-apply for the vises .. what would you suggest ???

    personally i do not want to do anything stupid so that is the main reason i am searching any good solution on the internet…

    If the overstay are few days so might be visa officer understand and its approx 40 -45 days… that is the main concern … just last question if i get any good prof from Italy that my daughter was ill and is there any chance to get visas ???

    At last thank you so very much for you reply and hope to hear from you soon.

    Regards Rao

    • Lindsey | 25th May 17

      Glad to help! This is correct that Schengen does not keep track of each other’s entries and exits. You can see my latest blog post here on that. However, your family has a Schengen visa with an expiration date for all of Schengen…not just Netherlands, so if your family has an exit stamp in their passport that is a date after their Schengen visa expired, that can cause an issue when you fill out new forms and they ask for that information. You have to understand a country’s main concern for people who overstay is that they are illegally working/living without paying taxes, or getting benefits without being in the system. It is risky to have illegal people – so that is why overstaying is not allowed and should be respected when granted a tourist visa. In your situation, you really needed to get permission to stay WHILE your daughter was sick, not after when the law had been broken. I think you should re-apply for the visa – there is not a lot you can do since the law was broken very obviously without trying to get extensions. Otherwise, you can also look into hiring an immigration lawyer. They might be able to guide you further. Good luck, Rao!

      • Rao | 25th May 17

        Hi Lindsey
        thanks for the reply. I have read your blog about SIS and observe that immigrating officer put deta on the information website or sofware if he caught someone overstay then the main problem starts….

        our case is little bit different and I think our family passports don’t have record in sis …
        if we get New passports with no entry/exit stamps so we can apply for the visa again and might be embassy did not invistage deeply ..what you think?

        i know we have done a big mistake not to extend the visas of my family because I have to go back to Netherlands for extensions.

        if i told the embassy that my family passports lost and we have applied the New passports and again want to spend summer vocations in Europe so is there any chance to get a visa? Please write me your thoughts and it might be last question from my side …

        i advice everyone please don’t do these kind of stupid mistakes like we done….

        • Lindsey | 25th May 17

          I wouldn’t say your problem is with SIS, since that is usually for criminal activity and not for overstaying visas. It was just explaining how it works. Your problem is that the family doesn’t have a legal excuse for breaking the visa. If you got new passports, then you are correct in saying they wouldn’t see the stamps, and this could make it better. However, on the visa application forms it might ask your flight details from previous trips or dates. You would be put in a tricky situation more on a moral basis potentially lying on official documents (not advisable!). 😣 If you are discovered to have lied, then they will absolutly deny you entry if they have reason to suspect. I would say that is the riskiest part of it all. My advice is to speak (anonymously) by phone or email with the Pakistan embassy in Netherlands, and of course if you are able to get the visas and all goes well, make sure that you are able to have everyone understand their visa rules, and looking into extensions if needed.

  68. Rao | 24th May 17

    Hi,

    I have 2 year visa with 9o days entry and my family only had 15 days visa of Netherlands and my family overstayed approx. one and half month … we are from Pakistan and we are back to Pakistan few months ago.. luckily not get any fines or any stamp or ban from the immigration officer ……they haven’t checks the date of entry of my family passports might be that’s the main reason we did not face any problem or plenty….. the main reason for our staying is my daughter was ill and we have missed our flights and stay with my wife cousin house .

    Now i want to visit again with my family can you please tell me any idea how can i re-apply for the visa of my family because i dont have any doctor record or any good reason for the embassy of overstaying in Europe… so please email me ….. and if you have any idea please let me know… Thanks….

    Rao

    • Lindsey | 24th May 17

      Hi Rao, thanks for stopping by with your question. What you should have done is for your family to apply for a visa extension due to an illness in the family, instead of overstaying. It is a good thing that border control never said anything to you when you left, but they might have it on record of the entry and exits – which could cause an issue when your family tries to re-apply for a short stay tourist schengen visa. Unfortunately, without taking pre-cautions by asking for an extension, this could negatively impact the decision for granting a new visa. My advice is to just re-apply and see what happens – and make sure to be truthful on the exits and entrances. If they deny you due to lack of proof for overstaying, there is not much you can do since the visa was overstayed willingly for such a long time. If you do get the new visa, please make sure to research extension possibilities so your family won’t be in the position of having to overstay. I wish you the best of luck, and let us know what happens.

  69. Nella | 19th May 17

    Hi Lindsey,
    My boyfriend has overstayed his visa for a year (crazy I know!) He is looking to come back to the US ( he is a US citizen) but is worried about a fine or worst, jail time. We have read some crazy stories and don’t what to believe. Will he have any issues going home? Will he be allowed to ever come back into Europe?

    • Lindsey | 23rd May 17

      Hey Nella! Thanks for writing in. I am assuming you are from a Schengen country? Is he planning on leaving soon? He won’t be facing jail time for overstaying (of course, if he is caught working illegally, this is a different story). But you really don’t want him to get caught by the police while he is in the country and not leaving – then he will get deported, which is horrible because then it goes on your travel record for any country you enter anywhere on that passport. If he gets caught, it is better to get caught while leaving Schengen because they can’t deport when the person is at the airport on the way out. The worst is the can issue a fine and potentially give him an ‘exclusion’ period from entering Europe for 3 years or so. That’s really the worst case. I think he will be fine – but he will absolutly need to stay out of Schengen for 90 days. If he is looking to come back, make sure he does not overstay again, and to look into long-term visas that will help him live there. If you want more help on that, you can always email me through my contact page.

  70. Peter | 17th May 17

    Hii Lindsey, I came to France with tourists visa and was stated multi, for 3 months i have to stay 1 month each in 3 months but I’ve stayed more than one month, now am in sweden and will be going back to Turkey where i have permanent stay, is there going to be a problem at the airport while leaving back to Turkey? My visa stated multi starting from 10th of March 2017 to 10th of June 2017 ;but i came to shengen zone on the 7th of April and hoping to be back to turkey on 10th of June the end of the visa! I need your advice. Thanks

    • Lindsey | 23rd May 17

      Hey Peter – do you hold a Turkish passport? Are you only allowed 30 days on your Schengen visa? If you are only allowed 30 days with a multi-entry within 90 days, this could definitly be an issue when you are leaving Sweden, since they have become quite strict due to immigration and asylum cases. But even if Swedish border control says nothing, when you re-apply for a visa, they may see you had overstayed your previous visa and it could lead to more difficulties being granted a new visa in the future. My advice would be to make sure you leave before June 10th, which is when your visa officially expires, and also be prepared if they ask you questions on exit. I wish you the best of luck!

  71. Ali | 10th May 17

    Hi Lindsey,
    Good read. Just need some advice. Im a Paksitani national with a 90day Schengen Visa who came to spain and been overstaying for 3 months now as I lost my passport.
    Im so stressed that maybe Police will arrest me when i request for a new Passport in the Embassy
    Please advise. Appreciate

    • Lindsey | 11th May 17

      Hi Ali – This is a tricky situation. The police would not necessarily arrest you, but they will most likely ask you to leave on your own free will once you get your passport, otherwise they will deport you. Unfortunately, there is not a lot of advice I can give because this must be dealt with through an embassy. This could have an effect on your status in the future for gaining Schengen visas for Europe. Best of luck.

  72. John | 9th May 17

    Hi Lindsey.

    My wife (Irish) and I (Greek) are both EU nationals; however, our baby boy is a Canadian citizen. We stayed longer than three months in the Schengen Area. Do you think they will give us problems when we leave?

    Your comments are much appreciated!

    • Lindsey | 11th May 17

      Hey John! I don’t think they are looking to arrest or deport babies 🙂 This is an interesting question though, as I have never heard of it before and there is little information about it. I believe in this situation, they might give you information that your child will need to apply for dual citizenship (Greek or Irish) for future returns. Otherwise, you would need to apply for a schengen visa extension based on family before his tourist visa runs out on his passport. Here is the link for the Schengen extension for a family member of Ireland. They would have the same for Greece. Since you are responsible for the child and it’s passport rules, they could issue you a fine for not organizing this before hand. I hope everything works out for you smoothly! Feel free to update us if you learn any more on this situation.

  73. Ali | 8th May 17

    Hi Lindsey,

    Just need some advice. Im a Paksitani national with 90day Schengen Visa who came to spain and been overstaying for 3 months now as I lost my passport.
    Im so stressed that maybe Police will arrest me when i request for a new Passport.

    Please advise.

  74. Mukherjee f | 8th May 17

    I visited Germany on business visa. It was for 22 days. I dd not check the number of days on the vsa and instead went by expiry date. I travelled 2 days before my visa expiry date and overstayed by 3 days. This got reported however my passport was stamped with ext date and there is thing mentioned on the PASSPRT. Can I trav back on business visa. It’s been 2 months since my last trqvel

    • Lindsey | 8th May 17

      Hello! Hope you’re doing well. You should look into the rules of your visa type. Was it a single-entry or multi-entry visa? If you said the expiration date was 2 days BEFORE you left and you were only granted 22 days, that means it was most likely a single-entry visa, and you must apply for a new business visa. It could count against you if the country’s immigration board sees you had broken rules of your prior visa.

  75. Andrew | 6th May 17

    Hello Lindsey

    I have a difficult situation, I hope you can give me some advice. I am an IT Professional from India, have 10+ years work experience in Dubai and India… I came to Germany in Schengen visa, and already over styaing for one month now. I am receiving a lot of job offers and interview calls now. Does this over stay will become a reason to reject my work visa application?.. Can I pay some fine and clear the over stay issues?.. waiting for your replies…Thanks in advance//

    • Lindsey | 7th May 17

      Hi Andrew! Thanks for stopping by with your question. You should have applied for a Schengen visa extension before your current one expired. This could definitely be a reason to deny you a work permit if you are sticking around on an expired tourist visa. Coming to Europe to find jobs is legal, but overstaying could cause issues in the future. Companies will still have to go through the same process to bring you to Europe even if you are in India, so you will have to go home eventually because they need to send for you. You can’t just pay a fine and be done with it and stay longer. It will stay on your record and you have to carry the receipt around in your passport that you overstayed and payed the price. I think it is best to speak with an immigration lawyer with a company that is wanting to hire you, and you can discuss from there.

  76. Fjord Andersson | 4th May 17

    Hiya!

    Great read here – I have another unique situation here I’m trying to find advice regarding, if it’s not too much trouble 🙂

    I’m currently in my last month of my doctorate in Iceland, and I’m originally from the US (been living in Iceland on a student visa for almost three years). I had to turn in my last visa renewal documents a couple months late (we have to renew every year), but my application was taken without a fuss, and I’ve been here studying and teaching while I waited to get my new permit. However, this took forever and I received no news regarding its status (despite my frequent calls and emails) – until last week. I was informed that my application was rejected due to a technicality in their system, and I had 15 days to leave the country and send them “proof” of my boarding pass, payment etc. Only then would they resubmit my application and allow me to re-enter to defend my dissertation.

    So! Long story short, I asked where I could fly to, since while waiting here for my permit, I have technically overstayed by around 25 days. They informed me that it didn’t matter – so long as I sent my boarding pass. So I booked a flight to France to stay with my girlfriend for a couple weeks, and I’m super concerned that my overstay will be picked up somehow.

    Relevant details: none of my flights to and from France between Iceland have ever involved a passport check on either side – at least in the three years I’ve been here. What would your thoughts and advice be? I’m concerned because checking into my flight still required me to input my American passport number. Also relevantly, I had to replace my passport about 6 weeks ago, so what I have is clean (like 4 stamps – two of which are to and from Boston about 4 weeks ago). Alsoalso, my 180 day tourist period would have technically started the day my last student visa expired, which would have gone until a few days ago – so technically I should be entering a new 180 day period.

    Thanks a ton in advance!

    • Lindsey | 5th May 17

      Hello! Thanks for writing in with your issue. Seems like this visa issue is happening all around Scandinavia. Students and workers getting denied and booted for uncontrollable technicalities even though they started a life. Basically, your ‘tourist’ visa does not automatically kick in once your ‘student visa’ expires. If you don’t re-enter on a tourist visa, you are technically traveling on an expired student visa. 😧 So, the correct way to do this exit Schengen (stopover in UK?), and then re-enter a Schengen country (like France) as a tourist. On a tourist visa for U.S., you automatically get 90 days in a 180 day period. You should not continue to be in Schengen on an expired student visa – it could be an easier target for border control to identify. I would also contact the U.S. Embassy in Iceland (anonymously) and ask. Hope this helps!

  77. Anon traveler | 28th Apr 17

    Hi Lindsey, I just wanted to make one correction, the SIS which is the system that flags passports doesn’t record every time a visa free individual leaves or enters the schengen, so they have to actually page through your passport to get you… That being said, individual schengen countries can record this but there is currently no system in place for sharing this information among themselves. Anyway, I overstayed my visa by 5 months, but I really wanna travel to Bulgaria and turkey. I’m hoping that the more new stamps I can get before reentering the schengen will make my passport less likely to be discovered. Do you have any tips about leaving or reentering on the sly?

    • Lindsey | 28th Apr 17

      Hello! Thanks for writing in. This is true, which is why so many people escape. unscathed. However, Estonia, Finland, Greece, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Malta, Poland, Portugal, Slovakia and Spain all record entry and exits from their countries, so if you enter greece and then travel around europe for 4 months and come back to exit Greece…you will be more likely caught because Greece will assume you overstayed Greece by 1 month. Get it? So entering one and leaving another in a tip if you wind up in this issue. But there is no guarantee of going unnoticed. Safe travels!

  78. Barton | 25th Apr 17

    I am working in France currently and am leaving one week after my year-long work visa expires. Do you think I’ll have any problem?

    • Lindsey | 25th Apr 17

      Hey Barton! Thanks for stopping by. Anyone who overstays their visa ‘might’ have a problem. Visas have rules, and you are kept on record for how long you are in the country – and any customs official can see this. You did not mention what passport you hold, but they might be a bit more strict in the future if you apply for a new work visa and see that you overstayed. However, if you are leaving France (and Schengen), it is way better to be on the way out of the country (as opposed to being caught by police while still living in the country). In the future definitely be careful to not repeat so you can stay on the legal side of things so you don’t have to worry! Hope this helps!

  79. Conor | 20th Apr 17

    Hi!

    I have a bizarre situation that I thought maybe you could give me insight with. I am a U.S. citizen currently traveling in the Netherlands. Last summer I started an application for Irish citizenship through descent (my grandfather). The application was completed and turned in through the Boston Irish embassy in September and I was told it would take six months to be approved. With this in mind, I left the U.S. in December to begin traveling throughout Europe – first in France and then Belgium and now the Netherlands. While I have been traveling I have been completing online courses to finish my last semester of university. I am scheduled to graduate May 26th. I began planning my trip to return for graduation based upon the thinking that with my Irish citizenship, I would no longer have a problem staying more than 90 days in the Schengen zone. When I contacted the Irish Embassy in Boston in March, I was told that the application had been approved and that it would take a few weeks for the certificate to be sent in the mail. I thought that then I would be able to obtain my Irish passport and use it to return to the U.S. It ended up taking a month for the certificate to arrive (today). This means that I do have official proof of my status as an Irish citizen. However, I no longer will have enough time to obtain the Irish passport before my flight back to America on May 21st. As I will have overstayed the 90 days, I know that it will be an issue when I would leave. My flight is from Schipol but passes through Iceland, which means the customs control would be there I suppose. Do you have any insight?

    • Lindsey | 29th Apr 17

      Hey Conor! Thanks for writing in. This does sound like a different situation. Unfortunately, if you are caught, even mentioning you “thought” you would get your Irish citizenship in time would not matter to the border control as a reason why you overstayed. I think you should change your ticket and leave before your 90 days are up to avoid any issues.

  80. Roman | 20th Apr 17

    Hi Lindsey!
    I am a student in Barcelona and my student residency card expires 5 May. I am neither EU nor US/Canada citizen and I normally need a Schengen visa to travel for tourism purposes. I was planning to travel for 3 weeks after I complete my study. Do you know if I can “overstay” my residency card? Thank you!

    • Lindsey | 29th Apr 17

      Hi Roman, thanks for stopping by 😀! You didn’t mention what passport you hold or the exact visa type, but you cannot stay in Europe on an expired student visa. Usually, you would have to apply for a tourist visa if you’re non-US/CA/AUS/NZ, but usually student visas (type D) are able to travel an extra 3 months as a tourist (as long as they get a Schengen exit stamp and travel to a non-schengen country before re-entering). However, you should speak with your school or an immigration advisor to see if you can submit an application for a short-stay uniform Schengen visa (category C). You might need to apply from your home country.

  81. Reggie | 19th Apr 17

    Hello Lindsey!

    I am wondering if you have heard anything about Iceland being a good country to exit from if one has overstayed. Many people say France / Italy / Spain of course. Do you know is Iceland lax?

    Thank you

    • Lindsey | 29th Apr 17

      What’s up, Reggie! In general, I would stay away from the Scandinavian countries if you have overstayed. Due to refugee crisis, it’s been a bit tough and they definitely flip through your stamps and scan your passport. Not sure why other people recommended France…that country is a big no-no to try and leave from. Italy and Spain are the most lax. Have you thought about leaving from a non-Schengen country…as long as you don’t have a layover again in Schengen!

  82. Torry | 11th Apr 17

    Hello Friends.
    Just happened today (April 11th .2017) when I was heading back home to USA exiting from Düsseldorf, Germany. I oversayed for 5 (total 95days) and officer asked me how long did I stay. He also asked me what is the reason to stay that long. I told him
    i got married in Dusseldorf. (Got married and have 2 kids) I was so scared to meet the police officer at the security checkpoint cus I read all the Schengen visa rules. (90 days rules) I respect the laws they required and fortunately I have been luckiest person in the world. I would say law is law and be respectful when existing and entering to the country you are traveling. You should NOT say couple of days are fine when existing, NO it is not fine at all. You could get caught at the airport then you will have a BIG problems. I am seating at the airport and waiting for my flight back to US.
    PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE, don’t you ever stay over the Schengen visa limit. You may passed the security check in even though you did stay over, but thinking to meet the guard at the airport will stress you down loke crazy. You will not enjoy your life till you get a stamp passing through guard. I would never ever do that again for a life.

    • Lindsey | 29th Apr 17

      Torry, thank you SO much for writing this comment. It is so often that we only see questions, and never hear the stories of those who got caught or dodged the bullet by a hair. It is a really scary situation, and should not be taken lightly. That is why I am trying to help people avoid this situation by educating on visas available and consequences. Thank you again, and I hope you had a safe flight back home. 💗 //Lindsey

  83. Christian | 27th Mar 17

    Hello:
    I’m U.S. citizen studying in Spain with a 180 days visa. I’m planning on overstaying for a few days. My visa expires on July 25th, 2017 and during July 15 until 20 I’ll be visiting Croatia. I wonder if the visa is somehow extended/renew with an extra 90 days after that visit to Croatia since that country doesn’t form part of the Schengen Zone yet.

    Thank you in advance.

    • Lindsey | 8th Apr 17

      Hey Christian, thanks for writing in. Once your type D visa (student) has expired, the EU rules do give you a right to stay for another 3 months following the expiry of your type D visa in other Schengen countries provided you have not traveled to another Schengen country in the previous 6 months.

      With Croatia not in the Schengen zone, the rules do not apply – so you could stay in non-schengen countries for 3 months if you’d like. It’s when you enter back into Schengen countries when you need to pay attention. So, I think you should be fine 🙂 Happy travels!

  84. Cheryl | 5th Mar 17

    We are planning a  5 week trip in the spring.  My son has been studying abroad and his 90 days will be ending when we arrive.  We were planning on renting a car and going to several of the non “Schengen” countries like Montenegro, Albania, Croatia, etc.  Can you tell me how crossing boarders by car will effect our trip.  Since my son will be within the 180 days will we be able to move freely within those places.
    Thank you for your help!

    • Lindsey | 11th Mar 17

      Hi Cheryl – I replied to you via email! Just for those who are in Cheryl’s situation as well, my reply was simply that as long as her son does not enter back into Schengen zone once he leaves, there would be no risk for penalty.

  85. Todd | 21st Feb 17

    I’ve been in the Czech Republic since late October working on a film project. My employer applied for my visa January 4th as it was apparent I was staying beyond my 90days to complete the assignment. My contract is up March 4th and was planning to meet my two teenage daughters in Paris for a 10 day vacation before returning to the states. My problem is that my employer notified me that my visa is still being processed and they are unsure when or if it will get approved before my scheduled departure. My question is should I just continue with my plans with my daughters? Should I cancel trip? Or do I chance it? Can I travel in Schengen Zones without fear that I will be deported while I’m waiting for my visa? If I do, is it better to travel by train, or air? I do have the dated application stamp in my passbook does that weigh in my favor. FYI my return to US with my kids is Rome-Zurich-LA Any advice would be a big help.Thanks

    • Lindsey | 26th Feb 17

      Hi Todd – was your work permit only valid for 90 days? If you came over on a tourist visa and was working for a European employer without switching the visa, that might be bad if you were to mention you working to any border guard.

      Assuming your employer is trying to renew your work visa, you technically cannot leave the country until it is granted, because you have no right to be in Europe over 90 days if you do not have a residence/work permit allowing you to do so. Even though traveling around Schengen Zone means there are no border control, I still would be careful, or at least check with your local immigration office (anonymously!) to see if you are allowed to travel around Schengen freely while waiting for the visa. If you travel, I suggest going by air because there is no border control from Czech to Paris, and the only thing they ask for is your passport to confirm your identity at check-in. They will not look for stamps on exit of Czech or entry to France. If you go by train, they could heck to see if there is anyone else traveling from another country that the train passed through prior to entering Schengen. Best of luck!

  86. rosa | 31st Jan 17

    Hallo if i enter france by my American passport and stay in europ for two years or more is the punishment will be the same when i leave france to prevent me to enter Europe for 5 years or there will be something different.

    • Lindsey | 26th Feb 17

      Hi Rosa,

      Thanks for writing in. Yes, punishment will most likely be the same. You could get a fine, be deported, and banned from entering Europe for 5 years. The biggest punishment of all, however, is if you are banned or deported, this will effect your travels to other countries in the future. No one likes a person who has been deported or banned from countries because they might do it again. So be very careful. Have you tried looking into visas to stay in France for 2 years? I have linked to the French Embassy in the U.S. for information on what visas could apply to you. You will want to be legal if you are staying for that long for medical benefits or the right to work. Good luck!

  87. Johnny | 21st Dec 16

    Hello

    I came to Europe from America on a tourist visa but found a job during my last week of my visa. I got the job and now I’m the process of doing all my paper work.

    • Lindsey | 23rd Dec 16

      That’s great! However, if you do not have the visa being processed and just paperwork is being filled, you might need to leave to make sure you do not overstay a tourist visa. I would consult with your embassy or the country’s migration board to see how long the visa will take to be processed.

      Also, make sure you have not started working yet until your new visa/residence card has been granted.

  88. Ally | 13th Dec 16

    Hi Lindsey. I am currently waiting for my work visa in the Czech Republic to be processed. I was told by my employer that it would be processed in time for my trip to London for Christmas break. Well here we are 10 days before I leave and my work visa is not complete and I have overstayed my tourist visa for the schengen zone. Should I cancel my trip? Or if I get stopped by customs will I be okay if I explain that my work visa is pending?

    • Lindsey | 13th Dec 16

      Hi Ally – This sounds like a tricky situation. 😕 You never mentioned what country you’re from? Did you come over on a tourist visa, and then got a job? Also, if you are waiting for a work visa, are you allowed to leave Czech? Does the company realize they are breaking laws by having you basically overstay your Schengen tourist visa?

      I personally would not try and go to the UK, because you might not be let back into Schengen. I would stay right where you are and contact your embassy (anonymously) and explain the situation for official direction. In the future try not to purchase tickets until you’re SURE the paperwork is finished…and make sure your employee is sensitive to your own legality.

  89. Jackie Loong | 12th Dec 16

    Hey Lindsey thanks for replying! no i fly from Arlanda to Doha then to Singapore so no i wouldn’t be entering another Schengen countries. Im just worried that they will count my days at passport control when i get my stamp out of Sweden. I guess i cant do anything about it now seeings ive already booked my ticket out

    • Lindsey | 12th Dec 16

      The VIS (visa information system) tracks it for them when they scan it, so they can see automatically.

      I think you should be okay due to your citizenship and since you are on your way out of Schengen and it was only a couple days. It depends on the guard. Just play it cool and apologetic if questioned. Also, make sure you do not enter any schengen country for the next 90 days to clear your stay duration. And of course, next time be careful ☺️ Safe travels!

  90. Jackie Loong | 11th Dec 16

    Hey Lindsey Im Jackie from New Zealand i have a question, so im currently travelling in Europe and im leaving to go back on the 4th of Jan i just realised that i will be overstaying by 2 days. I fly out from scheduled to fly out from Stockholm Sweden on the 4th of Jan. I am so nervous to wether or not i will be fined

    • Lindsey | 12th Dec 16

      Hi Jackie! Thanks for visiting! Scandinavia is definitely more risky to fly out of than perhaps the lower European Schengen countries. But honestly, if you’re flying out of Arlanda airport (Stockholm), there have been times they have never even checked my passport other than the check-in agent. Do you have a layover in another Schengen country?

  91. fahim | 11th Dec 16

    Hey again Lindsey my name is Fahim i have written to u a comment about my situation on 24th Nov 16 and u answer me ( Hi Fahim! I replied to your private email in response! ),i didn’t receive ur answer in my email
    if u can answer again thanks a lot

    • Lindsey | 11th Dec 16

      Hi Fahim, I have emailed you back twice. I am not sure why you are not receiving them. Please check your spam folders, or search your inbox for contact@everyoneinbetween.com

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  93. Jade | 28th Nov 16

    Hi ! So mines a long story. But I’m from
    New Zealand and have been travelling Europe, U.K. And Egypt for the past 5 months. I have been going between the U.K. And shengen area. However I have been in Spain for the past 7 weeks. New Zealand apparently has a bilateral visa agreement with certain countries, Spain included. Meaning I can travel in Spain for up to 3 months in a 6 month period, regardless to time spent in other shengen countries. If this rule is correct I am fine. But if not I have exceeded my time spent in the shengen area. 66 days in shengen area and 52 in Spain. I’m worried about when I leave to go back to New Zealand that I will get a big fine or a stamp. I can 100% not afford the fine, and the stamp would obviously be devastating. I was just wondering how likely it would be to get either if they see me as having over stayed for about one month. I know it will again depend on the person working. But I just want some peace and not be stressed before the flight. I depart from Amsterdam on the 2. Thanks again

    • Lindsey | 29th Nov 16

      Hey Jade! I did a bit of research on your situation. So it seems that if you were granted and entered on a working holiday visa (not a tourist visa) then you are allowed 90/180 days in Spain & then you might need to leave schengen and re-enter on your tourist visa (which Kiwis don’t apply for, it just comes with the territory). So yes, you are allowed another 90 days in Schengen. So you should be fine.

      According to Schengen Border Code:
      Periods of stay authorised under a residence permit or a long-stay visa shall not be taken into account in the calculation of the duration of stay on the territory of the Member States.

  94. fahim | 24th Nov 16

    Comment: Hello, I travel to EU a lot with my wife she is Australian , am Moroccan citizen and living in united Arab emirates i have many visa from EU from different country in EU have got my last visa for 90 days available from 20th June 2016 until / 1st June 2017 from embassy of France in Dubai
    and i have stay more than 90 days almost 110 days so its overstay visa by 20 days almost
    when i was exiting to return to Dubai from EU i exit from Spain and i didn’t have any problem when i was exiting and i didn’t pay any fine just got stamp on my passport of date when i exit
    i just want to know if someone have any idea about my situation for next time when i will apply do i will have any problem
    thanks for the help

    • Lindsey | 26th Nov 16

      Hi Fahim! I replied to your private email in response!

  95. R. O. Wak | 19th Nov 16

    Hello, I travel to EU a lot, I remember in July 2016, I took a plane from Dubai to Geneva and the border guy in Geneva told me: sorry sir I can’t allow you to enter Switzerland, you’ve exceeded your limits by 2 days!! I had no idea by then of 90/180, every single one in Dubai thought that I can spend 90 days in each trip!!! what a day, I went to the investigation room, after that, they put me back to the next flight to Dubai, no good at all.

    So, I need to travel to EU again, I didn’t apply for another visa, simply I’m scared to do that, any advice from your side?

    • Lindsey | 19th Nov 16

      Thanks so much for writing in!

      How often are you coming and going from EU? Is it for business or vacation? Did you get a Schengen visa for a certain amount of time? Was the visa a multi-entry visa within a period of time, or just single entry? You can only spend 90 days in Schengen each trip total within an 180 period if your visa allows you to do so.
      Also, were you deported from Switzerland? Did they give you a ban from entering Europe? If yes, you need to abide by the rules they gave you, or seek advice form a lawyer that can help your case.

      • R. O. Wak | 19th Nov 16

        Thanks a lot for your prompt response.
        I was a student in Geneva for almost 3 years, I left Switzerland in October 2015 and I start working with a Swiss company based in Dubai a month after that, in December 2015 the company asked me to travel to Geneva to follow up with the company head office, so I applied for a tourist multi-entry visa.
        The visa center (all the visas application must go to one big center here) told me “you can get 90 days in each visit” Ouch!! I believed them, so I went to Geneva for 7 times this year (average staying 20 days) the problem happened in July this year.
        The Swiss border gave me a letter, the reason was: I’ve stayed more than 90 days, nothing more than that. they didn’t answer my question when my next trip will be available.

        • Lindsey | 20th Nov 16

          I see Emirate citizens are now part of the visa waiver program for Schengen. So the multiple-entry visa allows its holder to go in and out of the Schengen country as pleased. However, this visa allows its holder to stay in a Schengen Zone for maximum 90 days within half the year, starting from the day one crosses the border between a Schengen member country (Switzerland) and the non-Schengen member country (UAE).

          So, if you made 4 trips within 6 months and for 20 days each trip, that means you surpassed to 90 day rule of your visa – because it pauses each time you come/go within 6 months. I think if you are going there for business, your company needs to get you a multi-entry visa for 90 days or more. You can also speak with the Swiss consulate to see what options are available, and what happens if you were not let in prior. In my personal opinion, you never received any information of you being banned or fined, so you should be fine to apply for a new visa. Just make sure it is the correct one and you follow the 90/180 day rules!

          Swiss Embassy, Dubai: +971 2 627 46 36
          adh.visa@eda.admin.ch

  96. Once Bitten | 11th Nov 16

    back in December 2010 I overstayed in the netherlands by 7 months. When we passed through passport control on the way out of Schiphol I was caught.

    The penalty was a complete ban on entry to the EU for 5 years.

    Be warned people, and I am an older guy 55 at the time and very normal looking. So it can happen to anyone.

    • Lindsey | 12th Nov 16

      Thanks for sharing! I feel like there are not enough people sharing their stories of being caught! It is definitely a risky things to do to overstay a visa.

  97. Dani | 28th Jun 16

    Hi! Im from Brazil so I do not need a schengen visa to enter Europe so this is my situation, I got a VISA D and a residence permit to work in Switzerland for 4 months last year, after this expired I left Switzerland and stayed 90 days within the visa free in Sweden , after this finished I went to the UK for another 90 days and enter again Sweden for other 90 days and finally left to my home country and now waiting another 90 days to go back to Europe through Spain.

    So as far as I know and everything Ive read including EU rules I did NOT overstayed by staying 90 days after my residence permit expired, (I have EU oficial sources that confirms this). BUT when leaving from Spain my immigration officer was fully convinced that I did overstayed, our conversation was around only 1 minute, in this time I try to explain but finally she said ”okay okay you know, just go” and sealed my passport with a normal exit stamped.

    My question is, because she was convinced I overstayed for 10 months and seemed to have mercy by just letting me pass without making me sign any document or paying a fine or putting a banned stamp in my passport, I still dont know How can I be sure she didnt flagged me on the system¿ I mean on her computer¿

    I really try to remember if she scanned my passport or not, Im almost sure she did not but than again Im not really sure how and where officers do this, if they do it like a credit card ¿

    Now Im going back to Europe, through Spain AGAIN and Im a bit scared that Ill be flagged in the system unfairly or that I would wake to much questions because i have already a lot of entry and exit stamps from UK, Sweden and Spain..

    My porpuse of retourning is to get married with my swedish boyfriend, it is legal for me to do this under a tourist visa but I think it will not be a good idea to tell this to the officer so Ill just say Im going as a tourist and have a retourn ticket to Brazil even if Ill not use it just to prove Im leaving Europe.

    My plain is in 3 weeks so Im getting super super paranoid .. specially cause its my only shot to marry my boyfriend who I love so much and apply to a residence permit and stay legally and do things legally as Ive always done. ANY advise¿¿¿

    • Lindsey | 6th Jul 16

      Hi Dani! Good job on doing everything legally. The agent in Spain probably did not have the time to actually do the calculations in her head. Right now there are a lot of issues with immigration in Europe, so agents are quick to assume. If she did not give you a fine or a special stamp (usually they are triangles), there is nothing that would have flagged you.

      If you are coming for your Swedish boyfriend, you should actually apply for the Sambo visa (having done this myself and now I am living in Sweden.) This is the legal way of doing this. Sweden is very strict these days about who is immigrating here. Once you are married, you are not just given a visa to stay and work. This needs to be applied for beforehand and you need to wait. Here is a helpful link from the immigration board about how to move to someone in Sweden to get married.

      I strongly advise you to follow the instructions of the visa processes before coming over to try and get married on your tourist visa. Because if you don’t apply for the visa, you cannot stay after your 90 days are up even if you are married. Let me know if you have anymore questions!

  98. Jessi | 2nd Jun 16

    Hi, I’m in Spain and working on nationality based on the new law passed 2015 for Sephardic people.
    I entered Dec. 11 and was due to return to US (US passport holder) and of course I fell in love with Spain, so I’m still here. I did ask for an extension called proroga and was approved for the last 3 months; which ends June 8. I would like to travel to Israel for a week for leaving June 6, 1 day before my 180 day reset. But I want to return to Spain a week later. Will I be able to return–does Spain system calculate days… If I can leave and return, I’m hoping the clock resets for a new 90 day stay. The police I asked don’t seem to know. The other thing is if I stay passed the 8th of June, I’m set to finalize nationality in July. Would they catch me overstaying? My attorney said not to worry about it, stay and if I get caught overstaying I can say I’m getting ready to recieve nationality. I know i’m probably freaking out, but I’m with 6 children too!

    • Lindsey | 6th Jun 16

      Hey Jessi, thanks for writing in! Your case is different due to your granted extension and your awaiting nationality. I agree with your lawyer that you should be fine if you did decide to skip out to Israel, as Spain is one of my top recommended countries to exit Schengen. Here is how the typical law works: All Schengen countries calculate nonconsecutive days IN within an 180 period. So once you leave, the counter stops at wherever you are within your 90 days IN. From the day it stops, you need to be OUT for 90 days before you come back IN. This would be within an 180 day period.

      I think something to keep in mind, is if your 3-month extension was for touristic purposes? And how does that effect the 90 days in, 90 days out law of Schengen? Does that extra 90 days extension cancel the 90 days out rule, so you can return for another 90 days when 180 days are up? Because you received an extension, they might notice it more than the average tourist when you leave. So it could actually draw attention to your situation. Then again, I would listen to your lawyer if they are knowledgeable about this situation. Whether you get caught or not really depends on the border control agent and if they are familiar with the extension rules and Schengen law. If the 3-month extension had 0 effect on the 90 days in, 90 days out rule – I would say you are clear to travel out and travel back in.

  99. Anonymous | 21st Mar 15

    hello i have an official schengen visa wich i was allowed to use it for 7 days but i stayed longer in europe .
    i wanna go back to my home country cause im together with a swedish girl now and i need to go back to apply for another visum
    im going to travel from copenhagen airport but i would like to know am i going to have any trouble or are they going to fined me or make me an prohibiton to travel in schengen states,thanks.

  100. Lindsey | 20th Jul 14

    Yes, you must stay out for 90 days. The problem is they CAN enforce it, and you might be the unlucky one. But you do not have to return to the USA right away. You can go to UK, Turkey…anywhere besides the Schengen.

  101. Lindsey | 20th Jul 14

    Hello! If you overstay your Schengen visa, do not freak out (If you are from US, Canada, Australia). Just do not leave the Schengen zone through countries like Austria, Germany, France, etc. Try to exit the Schengen zone from Italy or Spain, and do not plan on coming back within a 6 month period.

    What I always did:
    Fly from Greece –> Italy or Spain –> USA

    The passport control does not look at your passport when flying in Schengen countries-only the people checking you in for your flight for ID purposes. However, make sure you never have a layover in a non-Schengen zone country (Like Serbia, UK, etc) when flying between Schengen countries.

  102. pelen | 9th Dec 13

    Guys here is an idea. Go to the u.k( you get 6 months) . Then arrange a bus / coach journey to France from Dover to Calais ( using sea France ) .They is no passport control at all when you enter France and retun to the u.k in the same way before your 6 month ends. uk border agency inspects your passport when you return( at Calais ) if uk border agency asks you tell them , you left the uk for a day trip.no one will know when you leave the uk and enter France . If you still wish to go the schengen area you plan another trip.

    • Tanisha | 7th Mar 16

      HI.
      So I’m in Italy on a tourist visa, which ended January 24th but I took a plane a week before the end of my 90 days to London to receive a stamp and took a train back into Italy, where I did not receive another entry stamp…so “technically” I’m still in London, out of the Schengen area, until my 90 days are up, again. In my mind, this sounded like a super solid plan but not that I have only a month until I have to reconfigure things, I’m a litttlleeee nervous haha. Should I be freaking out about potentially going back to London for an exit stamp or just stay in Italy. ALso, I feel slightly trapped in Italy, which is absolutely ridiculous, I know, because HELLLO, it’s Italy but I also want to see everything else. I’m too scared to get on a plane or anything.

      Any suggestions to ease my nerves? Much appreciated.

      • Lindsey | 14th Mar 16

        Hey Tanisha,
        Take a deep breath 🙂 That is strange UK never stamped your exit. If you enter back into UK, don’t go by plane. If you go by train, they might not check you again…but they might because they are pretty strict on entrance stamps. I suggest leaving via Italy. You have proof that you left Schengen, and it would be UK’s error for not stamping you, which can easily be explained if questioned. The thing is, no one wants to actually overstay their visa, so it is important to think about realistic options and eventually leaving before racking up too much overstayed time. You basically only need to be out of Schengen 3 months, and you can return again. Just consider having a long distance for 3 month with you bf, or have him come visit you.

  103. C. R. Matheny | 12th Sep 13

    Hello:

    I'm a U.S. citizen who made an honest but potentially-costly mistake. I entered the Schengen Area on April 23rd, left for about six weeks to the U.S and UK on May 15th (22 days in Schengen so far), then entered from the Schengen area again on June 29th and plan to leave out of Berlin on September 26th (an additional 90 days). That's 112 Schengen days of the past 180, which is definitely an overstay. I didn't do this intentionally; I thought the same stupid thing a lot of Americans who don't do research before traveling think, that “the clock will reset when I leave and re-enter.” Not so, it's 90 NON-CONSECUTIVE DAYS WITHIN THE PAST 180 DAYS. I'm clearly in violation.

    Important point: I have just enough money to get home, NOT ENOUGH FOR A FINE ON THE WAY OUT, not even on a credit card, they're all maxed out (long story).

    I know the consequences range (with cruel randomness, I read) from nothing at all to a fine of 1200 euros and a re-entry ban of one year to life. I've read about people in Germany being thrown in jail (this sounds far-fetched to me) and about passports having “ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT” scrawled on every page in red marker by an angry immigration official, who makes a “BAN THIS PERSON FOR LIFE” note on your SIS record. On the other hand, I've read about French and Spanish officials stamping passports and waving people through without even looking up from their desks. I know, I know — it all depends on the agent you get, the mood they're in, how suspicious you look, etc., and I'm not asking for a fortune teller reading. Just some advice on which of these options makes the most sense to you.

    The options I can afford right now are:
    1) Fly out of Tegel to NYC as planned
    —- Risks as outlined above.

    2) Change flights by flying from Tegel to London and from London to NYC.
    Pro — The advantage would be that EU –> UK flights tend to get less scrutiny, is that the case and would it work to my advantage?
    Con — My main concern here is that supposedly the UK officials can and will send people back to Germany for a Schengen overstay, from which I'd be deported at my eventual expense to the U.S. Is that a significant enough risk to nix this option?

    3) Change flights by flying from Prague or Warsaw to NYC.
    Pro — I've heard Polish and Czech officials are lax and that I'd have good odds of getting out.
    Con — …maybe not, maybe a waste of money and not much better odds than leaving from Berlin?

    4) …any other options you can think of that won't involve crazy schemes like taking a boat to Albania? 🙂

    My main goal here is to be able to re-enter Europe legally and reliably, as I have a lot of personal and business connections over here that are very important to me. Even if I make it out without a fine, is it possible or likely that I'll be denied entrance on revisiting in, say, a few months' time? Or a year? Even after going through all of this worry?

    One last question: any advice for talking to the customs official to explain my situation? I've heard they can be pitiless, especially in Germany. I do know a bit of German, so that could be helpful. But any advice on how to present myself and my situation would be appreciated.

    Thanks a lot for reading my sob story. Best wishes,

    -Carlos the American

    • Thurston | 3rd Feb 16

      Hey, I have a very similar story to yours. I am an American who will be overstaying my schengen visa by about a month. I am currently living in Germany with my girlfriend. I am very curious to know how your story ended. I know it was a few years ago but I would really appreciate it. Thanks

      • Cheating Through Europe | 3rd Feb 16

        Hey Thurston!

        My story ended with me eventually getting a residence permit in Sweden based off my boyfriend’s citizenship. They offer this in some countries, but I don’t think Germany is one of them. (Booo).

        I have always recommended to avoid exiting from Germany/Austria/Switz if you have overstayed. And now, with the refugee crisis, I know they are a bit stricter with their borders. I went through there this past Xmas and it was a nightmare at the control and they thumbed through my pages.

        It depends where you have been during your 90 days. Was Germany your 1st point of Schengen entry where you got stamped? If so, I would try to exit through a southern country (Spain, Italy, Greece).

        A couple times I flew out of France and they drilled me, even when I had an EU residence card.

        So just be a bit prepared and know what you are going to say when asked about your reason for being in Europe. But since you are leaving, it shouldn’t be an issue. It is when you are caught not leaving…

        • Tanisha | 7th Mar 16

          Hi,
          So I’m in a very similar situation, as well and I’d love to know a little more about applying or receiving a residence permit. I’m currently living in Milan, Italy as an Au pair with a family but I also have an Italian boyfriend. I have no desire to leave Italy or him, for that matter! I’m only here on a tourist visa. I’d love more than anything, any kind of suggestions or help!

          Thank youuuuu

          • Lindsey | 14th Mar 16

            Hey again! I am not sure what your nationality is, but if you are American, I would suggest seeing your options for being a student. An Au Pair is great, but can be looked at as illegal work. You need to be studying at the same time to legally be there longer than 90 days. This is a link you might find helpful. It is the Italian Embassy in U.S. with different visas that are optional: http://vistoperitalia.esteri.it/home/en

            Feel free to contact me privately if you’d like here

    • Lindsey | 12th Nov 16

      Hey Carlos! I sent you an email 😀

  104. Katie Bird | 5th Sep 13

    I have a question to which you may or may not know the answer. I am a US citizen who has overstayed the 90 visa in Italy. If I go back to the US (the way you suggest here), do I REALLY have to wait 90 days before I return to the Schengen region? Is this rule really enforced? Can they tell how long I have been home/ do they really check for that?

  105. MursBlanc | 14th Oct 10

    okay. you seem to have a lot of info. I have been in Europe for 2 1/2 years. just on my tourist visa.. obviously I'm in trouble. My question is- do you have any tips for me? Should I Deal with it when I leave- or do I turn myself in? Also I've been advised to leave through France. any help you can give me… PLEASE help!! Also- I want to come back.. in 3 months. Are there any safe ways to get back in.. say if I've been banned via boat.. etc?

  106. BongsRips&BlogHits | 27th Aug 10

    have you done it yourself???…im currently traveling europe for 6 months…but it wasnt until i got here that i heard about the 90 day rule!…i thought it was 90 days per country…so at the moment i feel like im fucked!!…although im thinkin of just doin my trip as planned and say screw the "law"…tho it might bite me in the ass later…

  107. You. Me. Everyone In between. | 19th Feb 09

    haha!! You should get one, dear! Now you need one even if you wanna take a day trip to our neighbors up North

  108. Kaeli | 18th Feb 09

    all this talk about visas…i dont even have a passport!

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